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#2892427 - 11/01/09 03:11 PM Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress]
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I'm in the process of updating the Apache's avionics to make them more realistic. I've found quite a bit of information about how they work in the real Longbow, and I'm trying to implement as much of it as possible in EECH. Among the things is that all four of the Longbow's radar modes will be modelled, and the exact procedures for firing Hellfires will be modelled.

This is going to make the Apache much more realistic, much more like a study sim. I realize that everyone may not want this, so I'm goint to introduce a new realism level, and only used the new avionics at the most realistic level, so that those who prefer the current avionics can continue to use them.

Much of how the Longbow is controlled is via the MFDs, and the push buttons around them. EECH doesn't have clickable cockpits, but I've I've made the MFDs themselves clickable, so that you can simulate button presses by pressing the corresponding label inside the MFD. All of the MFD pages are being updated to have clickable labels, and a lot of new functionallity and new pages are being added.

Now this is of course a work in progress, and a lot of work remains. But just to give you an idea of about some of the new and updated pages, I've included some screenshots.

Here's how the cockpit looks now. On the right MFD is the updated TSD page, and on the left is the radar in Terrain Profile Mode (TPM). TPM is a navigation mode for low visibillity and basically shows where it's safe to fly.


The updated engine page. It has mostly the same information as the old one, but a little different layout, and with colors:


The new fuel page shows general fuel status, and also allows you to cross feed the engines from either tank, or transfer fuel between the tanks:


This is the radar in RMAP mode. It's much like ground target mode, but it also shows the terrain (and possibly most useful the terrain shadow, so you know what parts are unknown and where enemy units may still be hiding):


The TSD in waypoint mode allows you to edit the route or waypoints, including adding new ones (by e.g. flying over them, or by lasing a point with TADS).


The ADF page controls the Apache's radio navigation equipment, and allows you to navigate by radio beacons.


The check list page has checklists for various items.


I'll continue to update this thread as I finish more of the avionics.

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#2892431 - 11/01/09 03:18 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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#2892447 - 11/01/09 03:49 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: eric37a]
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YES, Dude you are the BEST. I hope you will finish this project. Looking Forward to this I just love Stuff like this the systems are so Cool as you have them now, I cant wait to see the finished product.. Do you need a BETA Tester or some Help with some mundane work, ?Im retired and could use the work to keep me busy wink??

I was thinking on these lines the other day if the Apache and Commanche had more detailed Systems it would make the sim more interesting. This may draw more interest back into EECH GREAT more people for MP as it is all but None left frown

Also do you have a link or some of that info to read, you aquired about the Apache?? I sure would like to read it ??


Edited by The Nephilim (11/01/09 03:54 PM)
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#2892452 - 11/01/09 04:01 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: eric37a]
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Yeah, those are darn good. I've been working on some of those pages for another project. Will you be including a TEDAC panel for the front seat? Getting good data has been a problem.
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#2892459 - 11/01/09 04:20 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Flexman]
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#2892483 - 11/01/09 05:32 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Bib4Tuna]
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#2892516 - 11/01/09 06:36 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: HomeFries]
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Insane biggrin love your work ARNEH smile

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#2892576 - 11/01/09 09:00 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Colonel_Kurtz]
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Outstanding work (as always!) Arneh!

Just curious?.....Will the Comanche MFD's feel any of the "love" of this update?
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#2892673 - 11/02/09 02:20 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: GrizzlyT]
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#2892676 - 11/02/09 02:25 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: AMRAAM]
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#2892695 - 11/02/09 03:36 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: gr1mR36p3r]
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Originally Posted By: The Nephilim
Also do you have a link or some of that info to read, you aquired about the Apache?? I sure would like to read it ??


I'll document the avionics, and all I know about the real ones too.

Originally Posted By: Flexman
Will you be including a TEDAC panel for the front seat? Getting good data has been a problem.


No, the EECH-Apache is an older model with the ORT. I have more information about the older models smile


Originally Posted By: GrizzlyT
Will the Comanche MFD's feel any of the "love" of this update?


No, Apache only for now. That's the one I have documentation about.


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Haha, thanks for the offer smile

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#2892725 - 11/02/09 04:41 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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Wow! :shock: That is incredible!
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#2892797 - 11/02/09 07:17 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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WOW, AWESOME!! jawdrop

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#2892807 - 11/02/09 07:43 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: ricnunes]
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Simply amazing. Nice work there.
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#2892809 - 11/02/09 07:44 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: ricnunes]
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So am i correct in assuming this is for Apache/Havoc?
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#2892851 - 11/02/09 08:35 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Stormtrooper]
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Originally Posted By: Stormtrooper
So am i correct in assuming this is for Apache/Havoc?


No, it's for EECH. No modding is going on for EEAH.

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#2892852 - 11/02/09 08:37 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Stormtrooper]
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Holy ....!!!

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#2892907 - 11/02/09 09:44 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: gr1mR36p3r]
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Sweet!!!!

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#2892959 - 11/02/09 10:51 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: TOMCAT7]
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#2892989 - 11/02/09 11:38 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: gr1mR36p3r]
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Fantastic Arneh.Thankyou!!!
Its fast becoming my favourite sim.

Is it possible to get UDP's from the programme??

I am wanting more and more to replicate this pit for real biggrin

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#2893034 - 11/02/09 12:42 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Cetus]
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Originally Posted By: Cetus
Is it possible to get UDP's from the programme??



I think Memory Export does export the upfront display too, if that's what you meant. Though not sure about the new one with more lines. Will have to check that.

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#2893129 - 11/02/09 02:51 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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It makes me wish I was into helo sims.

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#2893156 - 11/02/09 03:37 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: gr1mR36p3r]
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Lord God. You should do this for a living if you don't, Arneh.

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#2893264 - 11/02/09 07:01 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Cat]
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Great work Arneh!!

Just when I get tired of this sim you bring it back to life!! Can you expand upon the more realistice Hellfire launch modes??? Will you sort out the Radar and laser guided hellfires being launched with proper parameters met, like a radar hellfire not being launchable when you have a lased target and FCR off??? Or in real life is that possible?? Hopefully you know all the answers now!! Thanks again, yu are the best!!

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#2893391 - 11/03/09 02:38 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Longbow fanatic]
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Originally Posted By: Cat
You should do this for a living if you don't, Arneh.


I do program for a living. But not simulators.



Originally Posted By: Longbow fanatic
Can you expand upon the more realistice Hellfire launch modes?


I have several pages of procedures for how to setup and fire Hellfires in various situations, so it would be too much to list all of that here smile And I haven't implemented this part yet, so better ask when I'm done.
But it will include setting up with launch profiles (high, low etc), firing mode (single fire, riple fire, rapid fire etc), laser code for laser hellfires, activating missiles etc.


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Will you sort out the Radar and laser guided hellfires being launched with proper parameters met, like a radar hellfire not being launchable when you have a lased target and FCR off??? Or in real life is that possible?


Yes, radar Hellfires may be fired at TADS targets. But it does require a little procedure to hand over the target from the TADS to the missile.

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#2893458 - 11/03/09 05:28 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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Perfect arneh!

Just a question: are you a the only one coding EECH?

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#2893507 - 11/03/09 06:40 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Jacobs]
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Thanks for your continued efforts Arneh. It sure is nice to have you in this community.

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#2893532 - 11/03/09 07:04 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Jacobs]
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Originally Posted By: Jacobs
Just a question: are you a the only one coding EECH?



No, there are others too. Although I've certainly been the most active for the last three years.

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#2893575 - 11/03/09 07:48 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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Originally Posted By: arneh
Originally Posted By: Cat
You should do this for a living if you don't, Arneh.


I do program for a living. But not simulators.



Well, if you need credentials, just post the message and direct your employer here smile

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#2894016 - 11/03/09 06:54 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Jabberwock]
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Really incredible. I gave up EECH (it was hard with the incredible Arneh Apache) when I got a new computer with Vista - but I'm going to have to install it now to get ready for the updates.

I'm truly amazed at the level of work that is being done. Turning this into a study sim is an incredible undertaking. It may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I think the pace at which the Apache is getting more and more complex is actually aiding people in getting deeper and deeper into it as the complexity deepens. It really is an incredible ride we're all on.

Thank you so much for what you do Arneh.
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#2894091 - 11/03/09 10:00 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: arneh]
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Good deal. Looking forward to this. Thanks a millon arneh.

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#2894398 - 11/04/09 10:40 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Vince H]
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It's amazing, too cool.

big props.

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#2896267 - 11/06/09 10:10 PM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: gr1mR36p3r]
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Holy hot damn. I just saw this. Wow!

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#2896299 - 11/07/09 01:15 AM Re: Apache avionics modernization program [work in progress] [Re: Mr_Blastman]
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As always, Arneh still amazes us all.
BTW, maybe Arneh is not just 1 guy, but the entire (former) Razorworks crew in disguise smile

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