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#2890195 - 10/29/09 07:15 AM hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested
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The poop hit the fan last night. Here's what happened.

I purchased an OEM 750GB hard drive because I need more space on my desktop system. I have also been in "housekeeping mode" the last few days, installing new drivers for things have stagnated for a while. I have a Matrox TripleHEad2Go Digital Edition that I use in single-screen mode on the Windows desktop. I want to send 1280x960 through the TripleHead2Go, at an ideal refresh rate of 85 Hz (I still use CRTs).

The old version of GXM software (Matrox's configuration utility for the TripleHead2Go) didn't allow 1280x960 at all, so I installed the latest GXM. This offered 1280x960, but only at a 60 Hz refresh rate. On a 21" CRT monitor 60Hz is painful, so I moved along on my search. I installed the latest TripleHead2Go firmware, backing up my older firmware. However, during the firmware install the screen connected to the TripleHead2Go went black and never displayed an image again. I found the firmware update window hiding on this screen, dragged it over to a working monitor, and saw that it wanted me to restart the system. So I did.

When the system POSTed after the reboot I turned it off and put in the new 750 GB hard drive, since I don't power down a lot. Booting up again, the monitor connected to the TripleHead2Go worked outside of Windows and I could see the Windows XP splash screen. However, the system blue-screened after the splash screen and rebooted. At first I thought that the connection of the new single SATA HDD had messed with my bootable RAID 0 array, so I disconnected the new hard drive and booted again. Another blue-screen. I also tried to boot to Safe Mode with the same results.

Then I figured that the TripleHead2Go may somehow be causing this. I suspected that it wasn't working right, but didn't think what amounts to a monitor could blue-screen Windows XP. Despite this I disconnected the TripleHead2Go's USB cable and also unplugged the DVI cable feeding the TripleHead2Go. Now my system was in a state where only the existing hard drives were connected and the new primary display was a monitor connected to my primary GPU's other output. This should cause no problems whatsoever, but still the system blue-screened after the Windows splash screen. Again I tried Safe Mode and still got blue screens.

Since I want to get in the habit of drive images for quicker OS rebuilds and since I just got this big drive with which I can implement a better backup scheme, I decided to reformat and reinstall Windows, which would give me a baseline Windows install that I could feel comfortable making an image of (something I could not say for the existing install).


So, I connected the TripleHead2Go in full, connected the new 750 GB hard drive, popped in the Windows CD, and let it do its thing. Installation was uneventful except for the fact that it was stretched over three monitors (something the TripleHead2Go can do at very low single-screen resolutions). The first thing I did in Windows was install the onboard ethernet adapter from the motherboard CD, then go to Windows update. Windows got some minor updates and rebooted, then I went back to Windows Update and installed SP2. At the same time I downloaded and installed the nVidia 191.07 drivers, the latest, so I could get normal resolutions back and stop the stretching.

When Windows rebooted after these installations it again blue-screened. Thoroughly frustrated at this point, I started memtest and went to bed. I woke up this morning to see zero errors after 15 passes.


What's going on here? What should I do next?
My other hardware is:
Intel Core2Duo @ 2.53GHz
Asus P5K Pro MB
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640MB 8800GTS
128MB 8400GS
2x36GB Raptor HDDs in RAID 0
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#2890221 - 10/29/09 08:02 AM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: Joe]
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I can tell you Win 7 has a built in imaging system that I've read was bought or licensed from Acronis and absolutely works great. I installed Win 7 on a 320Gb drive and imaged it. Then changed my drive to a 1Tb and restored the image to that drive. Beautiful.
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#2890389 - 10/29/09 11:56 AM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: speedbump]
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Okay...

Adding the new 750GB Drive IMHO had nothing to do with the initial BSOD. My usual operating maxim is that BSODs happen when bad drivers are added (or incompletely installed).

The only software you changed was the TH2G, and even as you unplugged it you had left the drivers on the system. Maybe completely removing those in Safe Mode would have spared you the reinstall.

For the new installation to BSOD again is more than a curious coincidence. Again, I would say totally disconnect the TH2G, uninstall the Nvidia drivers, see if you can get a normal boot. Then work your way from there.

Also, what files are in your C:\WINDOWS\Minidump directory? What does the Blue Screen actually say (can you get a digital photograph?) I have software at work - sadly I'm currently on sick leave, but I could do that remote for you - which reads these minidump files and gives a probable cause. We can work from there.

Speedbump, I'm not sure the new W7 imaging system (which already was in Vista) is really from Acronis. It's different in how it uses the native VHD file structure. But a great tool, I completely agree with that, and more than plenty of function for my monthly drive image backup.

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#2890432 - 10/29/09 01:01 PM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: RSColonel_131st]
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Originally Posted By: RSColonel_131st
The only software you changed was the TH2G, and even as you unplugged it you had left the drivers on the system. Maybe completely removing those in Safe Mode would have spared you the reinstall.
But I couldn't even boot to Safe Mode.

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For the new installation to BSOD again is more than a curious coincidence. Again, I would say totally disconnect the TH2G, uninstall the Nvidia drivers, see if you can get a normal boot. Then work your way from there.
With the reinstall I also cannot boot to Safe Mode, so I can't uninstall anything.

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Also, what files are in your C:\WINDOWS\Minidump directory? What does the Blue Screen actually say (can you get a digital photograph?) I have software at work - sadly I'm currently on sick leave, but I could do that remote for you - which reads these minidump files and gives a probable cause. We can work from there.
Can I access these files through the Windows XP CD's recovery console? Because otherwise I have no way of accessing the contents of this folder.

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#2890435 - 10/29/09 01:06 PM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: Joe]
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Oh sorry, I overlooked that you couldn't get into Safe Mode either. My bad. Makes my question my guess of Display/TH2G Driver as culprit since these should not be active in Safe mode, IMHO.

I'm not really good with the Recovery Console Commands, so my best bet (other than a new reinstall) would be to mount the disk externally or in a second system and get to these files. It's not guaranteed that they will tell us something, but usually they give a reasonable close guess - either the name of a driver file, or some memory problem or what else you may have.

Easier maybe to try and read/photograph the actual BSOD message for now.

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#2890478 - 10/29/09 01:55 PM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: RSColonel_131st]
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OS partition is a RAID 0 array - not mountable in another system...

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#2890516 - 10/29/09 02:37 PM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: Joe]
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Hi Joe. I wouldn't rule out the hard drive yet, you probably know XP has a lot of issues installing harddrives mid-setup when those HD's are in RAID/AHCI configuration. In fact, it sounds like either Windows or your BIOS changed a setting related to hard drive configuration. This would explain why you continue to get BSODs even after the hard drive. Note, I've seen related problems for AHCI drives, but haven't done RAID, so I don't pretend to be any authority on this issue...just trying to help =/

First off, try a fresh install with only a direct connection to 1 monitor (any that didn't go black), with the THG completely disconnected, although I don't think the firmware flash was responsible. Check that all drives are configured as RAID/AHCI (as appropriate) in the BIOS. Download any new RAID/AHCI/Storage drivers your chipset manufacturer has before the reinstall, and install them using the F6 floppy method when the installation CD loads. When you get to a working Windows, check device manager to make sure that Windows is correctly identifying the drives as RAID/AHCI and not trying to make the new one IDE. Also make sure Computer Management is seeing the drives period.

If that is working after a few reboots, image the drive before installing the THG. You might also want to research whether your board/chipset has any known quirks when it comes to having a RAID setup along with a single HDD operating on its lonesome.




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#2890520 - 10/29/09 02:42 PM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: Phoenix]
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Lifer

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Reminds me why I don't do Raid...

Can you get us the Blue Screen message/error code?

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#2891134 - 10/30/09 11:25 AM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: RSColonel_131st]
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Phoenix,

Your breakdown seems like a good idea. I will tackle it over the weekend.


RSC,
The blue screen flashes very quickly and then goes away. I tried a few times to get a picture of it, but my reaction time isn't fast enough.

I've been using an OS installed on a RAID 0 array for 6 years now. I installed Windows 5 or 6 times on 3 different motherboards (all with different RAID controllers) and I've never had a problem other than the usual frustration of having to find and/or make the floppy disk needed for Windows installation.

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#2891309 - 10/30/09 03:42 PM Re: hardware troubles relating to blue-screens; assistance requested [Re: Joe]
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Lifer

Registered: 01/02/01
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Ah yes - the wonderful XP feature of automatically rebooting so you can't see the error message. The first thing you ought to do when reinstalling is to disable automatic reboot on error.

I'm afraid right now there's little left to do besides follow Phoenixs advice and start from scratch.

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