Again, if people here can't tell the difference between a military game where your goal is to go one on one with either another person or against and armed AI from a murder simulation where your goal is to shoot down people in front of an airport metal detector then there is no point in arguing with you.

You can justify this kind of stuff all you want. Eventually your sense of outrage will be diminished enough that nothing will bother you.

Activision didn't need to add an atrocity scenerio to the game to get people to buy it. They did it simply for the extra buck that they will get from the curious and the borderline personalities in this world. It isn't the 'normal' people that I fear when they play this game, it will be the sociopaths that will be able to live some kind of dark fantasy when they play it.

And sociopaths tend to escalate.

You are not backing up your argument very well IMHO.

So the problem you have with the game is that you play on a side where the goal is to kill non-combatants? Or you have a problem with the game because you play as a terrorist? Or you have a problem with the game because you both play as a terrorist and attack non combatants?

Because those are 3 significantly different scenarios.

If the first is true then you cant play games like warcraft where you need to kill resource gatherers.

If the second is true then you cant play games like counterstrike, operation flashpoint, rainbow six, american army, insurgancy etc (or any game that even allows you to play as the enemy side)

If the third is true then the fact that you dont mind the first two makes you a pretty large hypocrite.

*you are fine if you think all three are deplorable lol although you probably cant play ANY shooters with standards that strict.

Dont get me wrong, I understand where you are coming from and I can see that point of view but it is entirely illogical IMHO. You are entitled to it though. (oh and I am not buying the game either)

I have a problem with any game in which the player participates in the mass murder of innocent people. It is no more compicated than that. This 'level' has you actively running around shooting people in an airport. I don't care if the premise is that of a terrorist, random nut or 'CIA operative' infiltrating a terrorist ring (Imagine the fallout if a CIA operative participated in something like this in real life, CNN would have a field day).

That is my problem. There is no hypocricy. Warcraft is a fantasy game. Killing orcs or whatever is abstract enough that doing so isn't the same as running up to someone that looks human and shooting them in the face with a beautifully rendered assault rifle. The level of 'realism' is different. I don't play warcraft and that kind of resource gathering doens't appeal to me.

Playing combat games, like I said before, offers a challenge of fighting against an 'enemy' that can kill you just as you can kill them. This is a game where a portion of the game simulates participation in the murdering of innocent people. Call it what you want but that is exactly what you are doing in the game. Might as well grab that machete and have a nice Rwanda simulation next.

This is my last post here on this subject. I am tired of somehow having to justify my abhorrence at this kind of gameplay 'feature'. Before I leave this site in disgust I think I will bow out of this thread.

Ok, so any game with mass murder of innocent people. So the silent hunter series is out because you can sink non combatant ships. Any flight sim with bombs/guns/missiles is out because you can shoot up civilian vehicles/buildings and any shooter that even has civilians in the game that can be shot is out because the game can be set up as a killing field for civilians.

The point is that the video is obviously out of context. You cant read the briefing or what is going on and you are NOT forced to play it. So you dislike the game because it is POSSIBLE to commit murder of innocent people even though we have no proof that is the PURPOSE of the game.

Do you see how taking something out of context completely alters the perception of it? I can load up ArmaII and run around the main game shooting every civilian in sight and then upload a video of it to youtube with me laughing in the background but that isnt the context that the game was meant to be played. Same is true with MW2. All we see is a guy gunning down civilians. Granted it looks bad and it looks like there is no other option if you play that level except to gun down civilians or not shoot while your AI guns them down but we do not know that is the ONLY way to play that level. We do know that you DONT HAVE TO play that level.

I know you are already out of the thread and all but I want you to know I understand and respect your point of view but I find it odd that it only applies to this game. (and I also disagree with it) I could list tons of game with genocide as the purpose which probably wouldnt even make you bat an eye at them.

Oh come on now, tell me you've never had the urge to go on a rampage at an airport? This Makarov character is Mr Rogers compared to what I would have done if more of my stuff had been stolen from my luggage the last time I was at one.

that seems a bit alarmist, imo

What makes you think they didnt or still dont ? you would be very surprised about cia involvment in dictatorship in south america, porto rico guinea pigs, and many others we dont know or cant confirm.

ALL GAMES are [b]fantasy, you are the one who can't grasp that. I have yet to see a documentary game, combat flight games are the one that get closest to that.



Murder is murder, you can't justify that,if you are okay to murdering digital virtual AI combatants, unarmed civilians is just a step away, enjoying it, thought, is up to everyone. Some people have sick pleasure killing enemy AI, but they project people they hate onto them, that is sick, killing civilians and not having pleasure, is not.



Stop using that word to validate your opinion,this is not a simulation, and this is not a realistic game.

Would it be appropriate to have the Columbine school style shooting as an add-on for MW2?

It would be most appropriate to see it in context when the game is released.

No. But those who want to see such a project emerge,have their rights protected under the 1st Amendment.

Shame, really!