I'll believe it looks like that at 60FPS when I see it on my PS3 and not before. I pretty much hate Forza, I think it's sterile and boring and at best has decent physics in a ridiculously bland environment but I do know what they were going for and they pulled it off in 2 and 3's demo (I haven't played the full game). GT5 is still smoke and mirros until next year, if they actually manage to hit the release date this time.

Well, the pics I've seen of GT5 look amazing. But, I'm not buying a PS3 just for the privelage of playing it.

And, I agree with Magnum that any high-end PC will display NFS:Shift better than the 360 will. Although, even on the 360, Shift looked excellent. I just hated the gameplay.

What resolution does the PS3 play games at compared to the 360? Just curious.

I have noticed an ocassional hiccup (lag) while playing Forza3 when something like an Achievement notice pops up. It's irritating but not a show-stopper.

I've got a new PC on the way, I'll keep NFS:Shift in mind for the mods. If they can fix the awful AI and questionable physics it might be worth looking into again. But I can pretty much satisfy all my racing needs on the PC with rFactor, even though it's starting to show it's age.

Most games are 720p native like the 360. GT5P is 1080p though I believe, I run it at 720p since that is my TV's native res and it looks great but it has some pretty severe slowdown in a pack of cars and on certain points in the tracks.

To me they are both pretty much the same game, comparing them is like comparing an orange and another orange. They both have nice car porn, good physics, bland environments/tracks and bad freight train AI. Forza has damage but GT5 is supposed to get some sort of damage.

I have to say I prefer Forza. Just being able to custom paint the cars is huge, and the screen/video upload options are great. Aside from the gameplay and such.

Regardless, Shar82, why don't you start your own thread instead of sabotaging Magnums'?

In my opinion you are behaving very immaturely. Let Magnum have his own thread, he obviously worked hard to bring us his own screens, rather than posting the same old screens of that same 4 year old red F1 car image in a resolution GT5 has no hope of displaying anyway.

Great screens Magnum!

They really nailed the feel, this game had me grinning last night. The cockpit view just feels right, and the force feedback seems to be dialed in very well.

The tracks are beautiful, much improved over FM2. Maple Valley is gorgeous. I think if someone thinks the game is lacking graphically, they've yet to see it on a calibrated, worthy HD set of decent size. At 720p DLP projection 96" screen from 12', the game looks absolutely awesome.

After a handful of hours:
Driver Level 7 all settings maxed except no clutch and medium AI, using FF wheel
Not seen all the track environments yet
2.3% through the career
have used all stock tunes!
I haven't even tried tuning yet - the stock cars are much more realistic and drivable.
bought some vinyl groups
bought some cars off auction
bought some full designs, one terrific racing livery for 10k!
put up a car for auction
played with the paint editor
watched replay videos/checked out photos
have run a few private races with a friend
made about 350k credits

and I feel like I haven't scratched the surface yet. I enjoy every aspect of it. I don't know whether to race or buy/sell or paint. I keep switching back and forth, and still have yet to tune anything. I also need to put the DLC in and check that out. I have 3 different DLC cards (for 10-20+ cars?), plus T10 is sending some add'l ones for pre-ordering.

I intentionally didn't watch/read a lot or hype up for this game, and I feel like a kid at Christmas. Hope it doesn't wear off soon.

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I'd also like to throw another vote for not crapping up this thread with vapor-games. When the title finally comes out, it should warrant its own thread(s) and obvious comparisons of actual playable (solid framerate) code.</aside>

@Joe-Stalin: no need to be rude here, I didn't know that threads are the sole property of hi/her owner in a FORUM (which means "A PLACE FOR DISCUSSIONS" by the way ;-) )... I gave my own opinion based on his screenshots and building my case with some exemples. "sabotaging" is really making a big fuss about nothing if you ask me. By the way, free to Magnum to resume this thread with new materials... :-)

360 has it bang on. They've managed to add more fun and increase realism at the same time.

I'm enjoying getting a chance to drive all the cars i've seen on Top Gear

excellent game.