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#2889000 - 10/27/09 12:37 PM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]
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Shows what a good stick can do to improve your shooting ability and kill score. Know for sure that he is not using sloppy Saitek X45s as I am in RoF. Would change over to some better HOTAS if my X45s did not work so well with all my other air combat sims.
Great video! Looking forward to flying these new kites.
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#2889004 - 10/27/09 12:39 PM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: Masaq]
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Originally Posted By: Masaq
I cannot wait, and all I can say is that I'm so terribly glad I decided to upgrade my GPU today. Have just finished taking a Dolphin up for a test flight - instead of getting a steady 30FPS I'm getting a solid 70. Looks lovely and should do justice to the incoming aircraft, hopefully.

BTW Jason - check your mailbox smile


Masaq,

I know. I have not had time to respond.

Jason
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#2889006 - 10/27/09 12:42 PM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
My observations with the DR.1 so far is horrible left turn, excellent right turn, but the overall design feels very unstable.

If the Dr.1 really is very unstable compared with the Camel, they might have read some sources that i don't have.

Ah, too much to think about right now. I'll wait until i've tried those planes out myself.

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#2889008 - 10/27/09 12:44 PM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason

That's why I asked which way each is supposed to turn best.

Jason


Well, correct is that it should turn both directions extremely well. It didnt have that Camel "one sidenes" (atleast not nearly in same degree).
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#2889014 - 10/27/09 12:54 PM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: MIG77]
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Mig,

I've been told different things by different people. So I don't know what the best answer is.

I don't want to get into a flame war over the FMs at this point. True historical data is what I respect most OR the live opinion of someone who has actually flown one of the replicas out there.

I don't know where neoqb get's their data exactly, but their FM guy is indeed good. They do listen to rational arguments, not emotional ones. When discussing FMs with neoqb keep your tone polite.

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#2889409 - 10/28/09 05:21 AM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]
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Why would these planes turn better right then left? If ....

Prop wash

A propeller pushes air not just horizontally to the back, but more in a twisting helix around the fuselage (clockwise as seen from the cockpit). As the air whirls around the fuselage it pushes against the left side of the vertical tail, causing the plane to yaw to the left. The prop wash effect is at its greatest when the airflow is flowing more around the fuselage than along it, i.e., at high power and low airspeed, which is the situation when starting the takeoff run.

Propeller Torque Effect

Torque effect is the influence of engine torque on aircraft movement and control. It is generally exhibited as a left turning tendency in piston single engine propeller driven aircraft.

According to Newton's law, "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction," such that the propeller, if turning clockwise (when viewed from the cockpit), imparts a tendency for the aircraft to rotate counterclockwise, left. Since most single engine aircraft have propellers rotating clockwise, they rotate to the left, pushing the left wing down.

Typically, the pilot is expected to counter this force through the control inputs. To counter the aircraft roll left, the pilot applies right aileron.

It is important to understand that torque is a movement about the roll axis. Aileron controls roll. Prop torque is not countered by moving the rudder or by setting rudder trim. It is countered by moving or trimming the aileron.

This correction induces adverse yaw, which is corrected by moving or trimming the rudder (right rudder).


P-Factor

P-factor is the term for asymmetric propeller loading, causes the airplane to yaw to the left when at high angles of attack.

The descending right side of the propeller (as seen from the rear) has a higher angle of attack than the upward-moving blade on the left side and provides more thrust. This occurs only when the propeller is not meeting the oncoming airflow head-on, for example when an aircraft is moving down the runway at a nose-high attitude (i.e. at a high angle of attack), as is the case with tail-draggers. Aircraft with tricycle landing gear maintain a level attitude on the takeoff run, so there is little P-factor during takeoff. In all cases, though, the effect is weaker than prop wash.


Edited by womenfly2 (10/28/09 05:22 AM)
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#2889412 - 10/28/09 05:27 AM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason


That's why I asked which way each is supposed to turn best.

Jason


I have just viewed the Fokker DR I wideo. As the post just above says, the Fokker has an engine which rotates clockwise when viewed from the cockpit. So, due to torque effect from the rotary engine, the Fokker should turn slightly better to the left (counterclockwise), like the Nieuport 17 we have currently in game (and which is great modelled on this aspect).
So, can somebody explain how it's possible the Dreideckker has horrible left turn and good right turn? It should be just the opposite?


Edited by J.j. (10/28/09 05:28 AM)

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#2889467 - 10/28/09 07:24 AM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: J.j.]
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I'm gonna put up a video tomorrow that shows me practicing my turns. It's not as bad to the left as I sounded. I just needed practice.

I thought it's supposed to turn best in the direction that the motor is rotating which as you state is clockwise.

Right guys? Or am I crazy?

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#2889474 - 10/28/09 07:40 AM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]
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Nope, it's the contrary. If the engine rotates clockwise, the plane will turn best counterclockwise (take a ride on the Nieuport 17 to make yourself sure about that).

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#2889514 - 10/28/09 08:44 AM Re: Sopwith Camel Promo Video [Re: J.j.]
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womenfly2, you are forgetting gyroscopic precession.

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