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#2886206 - 10/23/09 03:12 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: dreidecker]  
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dreidecker,

The RoF FFB control model makes the neutral point of the stick (i.e., the position where the motors are trying to centre it) lean forward of the upright position that a spring centred stick has. You don't have to programme anything, it's already done by RoF. The result is that you still have a nose-up pitch under high power and a nose-down pitch with power off, but it is much less of a problem than with a spring-centred stick.

With the SE5a, hands-off with a spring-centred stick gives about 10 degrees up-elevator. Hands off with a FFB stick gives 0 degrees up elevator. I found the SE5a to be almost unflyable with a springy stick, but it's very nicely balanced with an FFB one. I'd say it's pretty good and matches well with how I expect the real aircraft to fly - based on my experience in gliders.

Cheers,

RD.

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#2886280 - 10/23/09 04:36 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: RocketDog]  
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Forget history - now we can re-create scenes from the movie Flyboys.

Red triplanes for everyone!

smile


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#2886301 - 10/23/09 05:06 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted By: Dart
Forget history - now we can re-create scenes from the movie Flyboys.

Red triplanes for everyone!

smile



No! The most evil guy must have a black one. :)))))))

#2886320 - 10/23/09 05:39 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: Tvrdi]  
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Originally Posted By: Tvrdi
should I buy now ATI 5850 and shoot myself in the temple with a gun?

seriously, Im happy for you guys now....good news at last



I know you've had troubles with serious stutters, Tvrdi. I don't think mine were as bad but there were instances I did get them. I tried reinstalling my sound drivers and haven't had the stutters since (except for the pauses when an enemy spawns, but that's a different issue).

I'm sure you've tried everything, but I thought I'd toss this out just in case.

#2886325 - 10/23/09 05:43 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: knightgames]  
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wow...they look really good...I cant wait for them to come out, they look really good

#2886341 - 10/23/09 06:03 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: jdbecks]  
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The most evil guy must have a black one

Nice Smile2

He or she could have a special one-off skin only allowed for the pilot at the top of the World League scoreboard. Black with the white skull and crossbones yes and a ha-ha-ha-echoing sound effect in your cockpit when he shoots you down Smile2

Ming


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#2886349 - 10/23/09 06:09 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: jdbecks]  
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Hello,

nice, yes.
"... Beautiful looking 3D models.
No word yet on other content and fixes. ..."

Sigh.
I have seldomly seen an update celebrated in that way, that you have to pay for - or are those birds free ? What about single play and multiplayer issues ?

I know that sounds negative, but hell my teenage enthusiasm celebrating anything shiny and new on the market (and to hell with issues) has somehow changed.

Greetings,
Catfish

#2886351 - 10/23/09 06:09 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: jdbecks]  
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Rejoicing! The Camel will be here soon, the one and only plane I really want and must have!
whoohoo
Hang on Snoopy, hang on!


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#2886354 - 10/23/09 06:15 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: Ming_EAF19]  
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Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19
The most evil guy must have a black one

Nice Smile2

He or she could have a special one-off skin only allowed for the pilot at the top of the World League scoreboard. Black with the white skull and crossbones yes and a ha-ha-ha-echoing sound effect in your cockpit when he shoots you down Smile2

Ming


Absolutely...and the modeled pilot to have a big scar with a permanent sneering smirk on his face!


Jimko

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#2886362 - 10/23/09 06:25 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: Jimko]  
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I'll have videos of each for Monday.

Jason

#2886371 - 10/23/09 06:34 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: Jimko]  
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I have been waiting to see what the next update brings in the hope that a lot is improved. The Camel and Dr.1 both look great, and will no doubt be very popular. Having said that, unless there are some major fixes and other updates I can't see me paying even the meager sum required. I have no need for extra payware aircraft in a sim that is so flawed in it's current state. No doubt i will keep an eye on how it evolves over the coming months.

#2886374 - 10/23/09 06:42 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
I'll have videos of each for Monday.


Good! I'm really looking forward to these two. Especially since I can now use the Mission Editor with basic proficiency.

Cheers,

RD.


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#2886379 - 10/23/09 06:53 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
I'll have videos of each for Monday.

Any chance for the update notes also?

#2886380 - 10/23/09 06:56 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: 2005AD]  
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2005AD,

I'm not sure what you mean by "Major Fixes". The sim works and I'm tired of the gloom and doom threads here.

A roadmap will be posted soon that will explain when some new features will come etc. A new feature is not a "fix".

Other than the stutters some people are complaining about, I don't see any show stopping "bugs" when I play with my friends.

I know people want certain new or different features like.

Replay
Dogfight Server
QMB
Manual for ME
Two-Seaters
RPG Elements in Campaign
Joystick Curves
Options available in Game
3rd Party Object Dev. SDK
etc..

All of this is being worked on. We're barely 120 days out from launch. neoqb has listened to forum posters, the publishers, beta testers and their own survey responses to formulate a plan for continued development. Some of this does not happen over night or in a couple weeks. The team is working very hard to give you what you want. If not already happy with your purchase and investment in ROF, your initial investment will be more than fulfilled in just a few more short months thanks to the hard work of the dev team.

Other sims go straight to vaporware. Others were DOA at launch, only to be saved by the community. Other sims were "ok" at launch and then re-launched and then improved over time to be a classic. Other sims are re-built every couple years and then re-sold for top dollar. ROF has not been abandoned by the developer, they are working hard to improve the already fun flying experience and they have listened closely to the community and are acting upon it.

Enjoy each new patch or feature that comes out, pick up a plane or two if so inclined and watch ROF mature and grow. If you own ROF, we pubs and the devs deeply appreciate your support and continued support.

Bottom line is that the "major fixes" I think 2500AD is referring too, takes time and they are on it.

More soon...

Jason

Last edited by 777 Studios - Jason; 10/23/09 06:56 PM.
#2886381 - 10/23/09 06:56 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: MattM]  
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As was stated in the 1.008 update news "As always, you will get detailed information about update 1.008 on the day when it becomes available for download.". So I think no wink


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#2886384 - 10/23/09 07:00 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: MIG77]  
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They don't like promising things they don't know for sure are fixed or are reasonably sure are fixed. The beta testers and dev team work right up the last minute on the patches.

Jason

#2886388 - 10/23/09 07:04 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: MIG77]  
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unless it is released in Monday!!!

#2886398 - 10/23/09 07:15 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
I'll have videos of each for Monday.

Jason


.... you big tease! popcorn

Thanks J.


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#2886400 - 10/23/09 07:18 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: 777 Studios - Jason]  
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Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
2005AD,

I'm not sure what you mean by "Major Fixes". The sim works and I'm tired of the gloom and doom threads here.


At least you accept that stuttering for the majority of users is a major fix.

Also the career needs work with the 5v2 problems that have plagued the sim since release. No reason to load a career because the same 5v2 scenario pops up with the sniper AI gunners if you do manage to get your enemy 2 seaters to trigger.

The sniper AI constitutes a major fix for a lot of users, it sure does for a very large number of people on this and the official forum.

These are the major fixes I was alluding to. Granted some of these issues may not be major problems to some but the stutters and the sniper AI are certainly very large problems for a majority. Contrary to what you claim the sim does not work in some if not the majority of peoples opinions. I appreciate that the constant negativity will be seen as tiresome by the developers/publishers but at least they are listening.

Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason

A roadmap will be posted soon that will explain when some new features will come etc. A new feature is not a "fix".


I look forward to seeing it. I already accept that the large updates to career and MP will take time.

Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
Other than the stutters some people are complaining about, I don't see any show stopping "bugs" when I play with my friends.


Then I suggest you try fighting against the AI to see how the sniper gunners plague your SP experience.


Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason
I know people want certain new or different features like.

Replay
Dogfight Server
QMB
Manual for ME
Two-Seaters
RPG Elements in Campaign
Joystick Curves
Options available in Game
3rd Party Object Dev. SDK
etc..

All of this is being worked on. We're barely 120 days out from launch. neoqb has listened to forum posters, the publishers, beta testers and their own survey responses to formulate a plan for continued development. Some of this does not happen over night or in a couple weeks. The team is working very hard to give you what you want. If not already happy with your purchase and investment in ROF, your initial investment will be more than fulfilled in just a few more short months thanks to the hard work of the dev team.

Other sims go straight to vaporware. Others were DOA at launch, only to be saved by the community. Other sims were "ok" at launch and then re-launched and then improved over time to be a classic. Other sims are re-built every couple years and then re-sold for top dollar. ROF has not been abandoned by the developer, they are working hard to improve the already fun flying experience and they have listened closely to the community and are acting upon it.

Enjoy each new patch or feature that comes out, pick up a plane or two if so inclined and watch ROF mature and grow. If you own ROF, we pubs and the devs deeply appreciate your support and continued support.

Bottom line is that the "major fixes" I think 2500AD is referring too, takes time and they are on it.

More soon...

Jason


I think the majority of RoF customers now accept it will take time to reach its potential. I am certain if it survives and flourishes even the most ardent of detractors will come to love it. I see the potential and wait with baited breath to see it evolve and mature.

#2886402 - 10/23/09 07:26 PM Re: Camel & DR I confirmed - with pictures in 1.008 [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD
At least you accept that stuttering for the majority of users is a major fix.


A majority means more than 50%

Evidence please.

Cheers,

RD.


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