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#2888640 - 10/26/09 11:35 PM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Gargantou]
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I have come to hate bloom in all games and sims, as it's usually horribly over done.
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#2888646 - 10/26/09 11:49 PM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Dart]
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I have come to hate bloom in all games and sims, as it's usually horribly over done.
Well FYI bloom and HDR are generally two different things within gaming, Bloom is simply bloom, whereas HDR is HDR, lightbloom and HDR can function very differently, for a game that makes good use of HDR I think Gran Turismo 5 or Project Gotham Racing 4 are good examples.

But yes, many games overdo it, like the GRAW games for example, and more importantly IL-2 BoP.

Most devs use'em to try to hide imperfections in the distance.

But I still feel, giving the player the OPTION to use high-end HDR and motionblur if they want ain't bad, not like one's gonna be forced to use'em.
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#2888686 - 10/27/09 03:02 AM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Gargantou]
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FYI bloom and HDR are generally two different things within gaming, Bloom is simply bloom, whereas HDR is HDR

So we've all learned something.

I can't add a smiley there Gargantou as you may think that I am being sarcastic which I am not, 'So we've all learned something' is a cliche not Mington's thought.

One must make cliches work for their money!

I hope you smile along with me and that you've recovered from that alcohol session. Or even remember it
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It's a bit like people talking about post-processed movies being 'only computer graphics' a few years ago. 'Only bloom', 'Only HDR'

The early pioneers like to make sure that you can see the join, followed soon by more care to respect a more realistic feel to rendering. The filters will be over-used by some developers for a time, for effect yes rather than for naturalism

Graphics fans coda:-

You can see natural bloom when there's lots of water vapour condensing around you in autumn mistiness, the traffic lights are glowing: the furry peach in sunlight. The more complex high dynamic range lighting simulates something that takes place in the brain, the non-linear nature of light and light receptors, range compression. That number you see in the specification of a monitor, dynamic range 1000/1 and so on

Risen potential pre-purchasers' note:-

At the height of an electrical storm the like of which I have not witnessed before in a game, I created the fabulous SoulDrinker sword with hammer and anvil. That was fairly cool but when I left the smith's yard and walked to the sea wall and looked up into the face of the storm out to sea, I thought 'Ok make a save here, she is definitely not going to believe this' Smile2

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#2889010 - 10/27/09 12:48 PM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Ming, I don't consume alcohol so it's hard for me to get drunk and I take great offense at you suggesting such and as thus I challenge you to a duel!

But yes you are correct, whereas bloom in games is generally a set value(I.e. it's always on), HDR in games generally try to simulate the way the human eyes adapt to light, for example IRL, sit in a very very bright room for a few hours, then turn off the lights, only with windows during the night, at first you will barely see anything because your pupils change in such a way that they lit in as little light as possible due to the previously bright sources of light, sit 3 hours again, your pupils will now be quite widely open in order to let in as much light as possible, turn on the light, bam you're temporarily blinded.

ARMA2 for example.

Also, I remember when I was given eye-medicine, that permanently(for a day) completely dilated my pupils, goddamn every single source of light made my head hurt like hell.
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#2889359 - 10/28/09 02:43 AM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Gargantou]
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it's hard for me to get drunk

Ah you were serious ok. I thought I was giving you a believeable excuse, a get-out-of-jail card Smile2

completely dilated my pupils

I have to take my wife to get a flash test to check her retinas for diabetes' deleterious effects now and then. No it's not what you think Smile2

She gets those drops and wanders around like a saint for an hour bumping into things while I'm sorting out the reins

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#2889471 - 10/28/09 07:27 AM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Ah you were serious ok. I thought I was giving you a believeable excuse, a get-out-of-jail card Smile2
Oh I see, well thanks but I don't need one!

I'm too handsome to be put in jail anyway! wink
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#2889726 - 10/28/09 01:47 PM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Gargantou]
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You can see natural bloom when there's lots of water vapour condensing around you in autumn mistiness, the traffic lights are glowing: the furry peach in sunlight. The more complex high dynamic range lighting simulates something that takes place in the brain, the non-linear nature of light and light receptors, range compression. That number you see in the specification of a monitor, dynamic range 1000/1 and so on


The problem is when programmers make even the sunniest day the rainiest!
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#2890066 - 10/29/09 02:45 AM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Dart]
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The problem is when programmers make even the sunniest day the rainiest!

In the lava tubes in Risen, so much glow you can't see what you're doing Smile2 (it is utterly gorgeous though)

Oleg's using it tastefully by the look of it, cockpit windscreens

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#2890067 - 10/29/09 02:48 AM Re: Oleg has posted new SOW pics at 1C - Oleg Maddox News [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Imagine a glowing rainbow btw it's like the elusive windsock we should campaign for rainbows

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