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#2884068 - 10/21/09 10:56 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Chris "BeachAV8R" Frishmuth starts a new series of articles about the best of the bargain bin. First up is his review of Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault. http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_424a.html OMFREAKIN'G! Dude, Chris, you sold me!!!! Searching the Internet right now looking for those puppies! Thanks a bunch!
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#2884090 - 10/21/09 11:41 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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I couldn't spot it - what OS did you play this game on? Need to know if it works on Vista.
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#2884163 - 10/21/09 01:17 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Good info, nice series... I remember getting that budget game upon release, and really enjoying it... just not telling anyone, lol... it's still in my closet somewhere.  Come out of the closet Magnum! And bring your budget games with you!!  I couldn't spot it - what OS did you play this game on? Need to know if it works on Vista. I was using Windows XP - I did not try it out on Vista or Windows 7.. If someone does could they report back. You bring up a good point - with 3 heavily used operating systems (XP, Vista, W7) we'll probably start getting more questions about platforms for our articles. I'll try to include that in future articles, or at least mention which platform the game was played on. Thanks for the comments guys.. BeachAV8R
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#2884172 - 10/21/09 01:25 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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BTW - One of the best things about this sim are some of the sound effects. While the helo rotor sound could be better (be nice to hear some rotor slapping)..the interesting thing is that they seemed to engineer a proper sound effect based on distance from the explosion. So you'll see the explosion, and then a second later (depending on distance) you'll actually hear the boom. One of the few sims that models that speed of sound. Now..I didn't empirically test it out to see if they are truly modeling the actual speed of sound..but it has a good effect!  One other thing worth mentioning - beware of repackaged versions of Apache Longbow Assault. I've seen it variously packaged as Apache Air Assault 2 and some other things. BeachAV8R
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#2885156 - 10/22/09 02:00 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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#2885172 - 10/22/09 02:41 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Good review, and definetly got me interested. Just downloading the air assault demo now.
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#2885183 - 10/22/09 03:02 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Just downloading the air assault demo now. LOL - I didn't even know there was a demo available!  Let us know if it works..if it does post a link to where you downloaded it.. 
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#2885499 - 10/22/09 11:18 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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I'm very interested, if anyone finds it for a reasonable price, please post a link. Very nice write up, thanks for putting that up. I'll keep looking around for it. I'm hoping for it to be Vista friendly as well so I don't have to put XP back on something. LOL
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#2885520 - 10/22/09 11:34 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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I've always liked the SAR Series; just reloaded SAR4 as a mater of fact. But, man, I really wish they had put full TrackIR support in. I've often wondered if X-plane could be worked up to do SAR missions.
Edited by pakfront (10/22/09 11:35 AM)
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#2885522 - 10/22/09 11:34 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Yes please if anyone finds it for a sensible price please let us know. So far I've seen like 40-60 bucks which is ridiculous for a budget game that probably originally cost 20 bucks. But maybe its becoming a rare find? I love SAR4 and Vietnam Med Evac. These look to use a similar engine too which I've always liked anyways. Thanks for the review Beach.
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#2885528 - 10/22/09 11:42 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Is this the same game?(ABout a 3rd of the way down) Its called Operation Air Assault 2. No Apache in the title but its an Apache game. This looks to be the same. Well if it is, ebay has a bunch of them new and it looks to be in good packaging. Ebay If it is the same game then good ol' Gogamer has them for 8 bucks! Gogamer
Edited by Coot (10/22/09 11:56 AM)
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#2885639 - 10/22/09 01:52 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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I was using an X52 - but the sim doesn't allow you to remap the collective axis so I was stuck using the precision slider for my collective. I quickly got used to it, but it wasn't ideal. And I didn't see any way for me to remap my slider to the throttle axis in the Saitek software (?)..that would be another way around it.. Too bad this venerable sim-lite engine still only supports unmappable single controllers.
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#2885713 - 10/22/09 03:17 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Is this the same game?(ABout a 3rd of the way down) Its called Operation Air Assault 2. No Apache in the title but its an Apache game. This looks to be the same. Well if it is, ebay has a bunch of them new and it looks to be in good packaging. YES! I ordered that thinking it was another, 3rd version of the series..but it is in fact the same game as Apache Longbow Assault (the 2nd half of the YouTube video I posted). It came in that packaging, no manual, just a disc.
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#2885716 - 10/22/09 03:19 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Too bad this venerable sim-lite engine still only supports unmappable single controllers. Yes..it is. If I could just get the throttle axis to show instead of the precision slider I'd be a happy camper because the twist rudder on the X-52 does indeed work with it. And you can even reverse the collective..
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#2885718 - 10/22/09 03:20 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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I've always liked the SAR Series; just reloaded SAR4 as a mater of fact. But, man, I really wish they had put full TrackIR support in. Right on. TrackIR is almost essential in a helo/rescue type sim where you are doing very precise flying over a spot on the ground/water. It's just very difficult to do hoist operations without being able to quickly glance back and forth. If you liked SAR4 you will probably like Vietnam MedEvac too..it has some diverse missions.
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#2886022 - 10/23/09 04:10 AM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Hi Beach, thank you very much for this review. I wasn`t aware of that fact that this game is likely? from the makers of the SAR series. The SAR series have a half decent helicopter FM and I liked it so much. I will definately look if I can buy this game. I also like that there are these little man walking, shooting and screaming... :-)
Edited by EagleEye[GER] (10/23/09 05:16 AM)
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#2886559 - 10/23/09 04:25 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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I was using Windows XP - I did not try it out on Vista or Windows 7.. If someone does could they report back. I've never been able to run these games correctly in Vista x64. Game runs fine, outside view works fine, but the cockpit is transparent. In XP 32bit cockpit was fine. You can run the game at any desired resolution (including widescreen) by editing one of the .dat files in notepad (forgot the filename) by replacing the numbers with your desired resolution.
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#2887062 - 10/24/09 01:41 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Too bad this venerable sim-lite engine still only supports unmappable single controllers. Yes..it is. If I could just get the throttle axis to show instead of the precision slider I'd be a happy camper because the twist rudder on the X-52 does indeed work with it. And you can even reverse the collective.. I played MedEvac Vietnam with X52 controller and Saitek rudder pedals. For axis remapping i used ppjoy and it works great.
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#2890565 - 10/29/09 03:26 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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EEEEk! Can't find Apache Longbow Assault anywhere except one place and at PREMIUM price. Anybody know where I can find it at budget price? I found the first one at budget, but not the Longbow.
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#2890569 - 10/29/09 03:34 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Is this the same game?(ABout a 3rd of the way down) Its called Operation Air Assault 2. No Apache in the title but its an Apache game. This looks to be the same. Well if it is, ebay has a bunch of them new and it looks to be in good packaging. Ebay If it is the same game then good ol' Gogamer has them for 8 bucks! Gogamer How can you say it's the same game? It doesn't even look like the same game. Don't give people false info to waste 8 bucks. Operation Air Assault 2 is a Helicopter Sim game, developed by InterActive Vision Games and published by Nobilis, which was released in Europe in 2004. Apache Longbow Assault is from Activision Value.
Edited by Plainsman (10/29/09 03:37 PM)
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#2897049 - 11/08/09 12:39 PM
Re: Review: Budget Sims - Vol 1: Apache Air Assault / Apache Longbow Assault
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Longbow has a "transparent" cockpit. anyone has been able to fix that?
I have the same issue, I have GF8800GTS 320MB on board (tried 190.62 and 191.07 drivers), on previous Radeon 9800 Pro few years back it worked ok. Are all new NVIDIA cards owners have the same problem? For me this game without cockpit view is unplayable, so if anyone have some advice please share it.
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