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#2882103 - 10/18/09 11:52 AM best digital camera for $2G?
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i am bugdetting about $2G for a digital camera, and would like to know of any exceptional models in that price range. low light shooting and shooting speed (my entry-level canon is really slow) are pretty important factors.

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#2882107 - 10/18/09 12:00 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: peppergomez]
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If you were a Nikon guy, I'd suggest something like a D90 or maybe a D300s, but that assumes you're going to spend the whole lot on just the camera body. Do you have a separate budget for lenses, or do you already have lenses? You might not be able to get a full-frame camera for only 2K (mind you, I don't know Canon's lineup) but really you just need higher ISO with less noise.

What is your current kit, so we know where you're coming from?

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#2882115 - 10/18/09 12:11 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Gopher]
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If you intend to blow the full 2k on a body then check out the Sony a850, a 24.6mp full-frame DSLR for $1999 direct from Sony.
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#2882116 - 10/18/09 12:12 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Gopher]
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As Gopher points out, it kind of depends on what you may already have. If you're just starting out, then you can start looking over your options for different cameras and lenses.

In my opinion, all of the major manufacturers produce cameras that will take great images, and it would probably help to figure out what kind of shots you'll be doing most. Once you start with a given brand and system, you might invest a lot of money in lenses and accessories and that makes switching later a little more difficult.

A few examples of things to look at:
Crop factor - 1.5 crop factor cameras can be tougher to use for wide-angle shots, like you might do a lot at weddings and indoor events. Full frame cameras are more expensive, though, unless you buy used.

Lenses - who makes the best lenses for what you want to shoot? Nikon makes great glass, but some of their telephoto lenses are more expensive than their Canon counterparts. Canon also makes great lenses, and are sometimes cheaper, but Nikon I think is considered to have the edge in wide angle lenses.

On the Canon side, they just announced the 7D for just under $2K.
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EOS-7D-28-13...2603&sr=8-2

Here's a link to the D300s as well:
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-D300s-Digita...2676&sr=1-1
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#2882147 - 10/18/09 01:02 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Arthonon]
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no, i don't have any lenses or anything else
i have a canon powershot sx1110 IS
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#2882182 - 10/18/09 02:24 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: peppergomez]
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I have a Panasonic G1. I have about nine hundred invested in mine with a 14-45 and 45-200mm lens.

The new model is the Panasonic GH1. It comes with a 14-140mm lens. The way it's set up, the lens is equal to about a 10x zoom. It goes for around $1400 but most of the cost is for that 14-140mm lens.

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC_GH1/verdict.shtml
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#2882197 - 10/18/09 02:53 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: speedbump]
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PG, sounds like you're coming from a similar background to the way I went; originally had a Canon Powershot S2IS, then went dSLR. If your total budget is around the 2K mark, you're probably going to be, in the long term, better off getting an entry-level camera (e.g. a Nikon D3000 or D5000, Canon 450D or 500D; apologies to the Sony, Panasonic and Pentax owners, I don't know those systems well enough to suggest anything!) and spending the rest of your cash on lenses - that's where the real horsepower is.
FYI, I originally bought a Nikon D60 + 18-55mm kit lens (£350, $575) and then a fairly slow 70-300mm tele lens (£499, $700), which is under budget; a modern setup would involve a D5000 with the same kit lens (£529, $850). I'm sure you can do a similar setup with all camera systems; the only issue is that if you want to get *really* good (as in fast, large-aperture) lenses, you have to pay about an order of magnitude more than the equivalent amateur lens.


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#2882249 - 10/18/09 04:30 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: peppergomez]
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Originally Posted By: peppergomez
low light shooting and shooting speed (my entry-level canon is really slow) are pretty important factors.

any current production DSLR will beat your existing P+S in both of these.
what do you think that your main interest(s) is/will be (e.g. landscape, portrait, wildlife etc.)?
Canon & Nikon are the 2 market leaders with Sony coming up fast behind but Olympus, Panasonic & Pentax all make good cameras with their own unique selling points.
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#2882280 - 10/18/09 05:23 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: BUFF]
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thanks guys

here's my photostream on flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10723561@N08/


photos of buildings (especially industrial stuff, landscape, models (fashion, nude, glamour, figure- guy with camera = guy surrounded by hot women), rock bands (where shooting speed is more important, artsy fartsy stuff, acoustic guitars, and maybe one day planes are my subject interests.
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#2882672 - 10/19/09 11:16 AM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: peppergomez]
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My recommendation:

subtotal = $1,908.03

SanDisk SDCFX3-016G-A31 16 GB Extreme III CompactFlash Card (Retail Package) - SanDisk $81.95

Canon BP511A 1390mAh Lithium Ion Battery Pack for Select Digital Cameras and Camcorders - Canon 39.98

Canon BG-E2N Battery Grip for Canon 20D, 30D, 40D & 50D Digital SLR Cameras - CANON $137.22

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM Lens for Canon Digital SLR Cameras - Sigma Corporation $479.00

Canon EOS 50D 15.1MP Digital SLR Camera with EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Standard Zoom Lens - Canon $1,169.88

EDIT:

Another lens that might be worth looking at is the:

Tamron AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR Di-II LD SP ZL Aspherical (IF) Zoom Lens for Canon Digital SLR Cameras $449.00

It's not ultra wide angle, but it does a nice job. Any of the photos you of mine that are wide angle are shot with this lens. It's cheap and its f/2.8, which might be better than the 10-20mm Sigma. Pretty much the same price so you can pick. There are better lenses of course, but not in your budget...nor mine.


Edited by Counterman (10/19/09 11:25 AM)
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#2882675 - 10/19/09 11:21 AM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Counterman]
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Then after that I would recommend:

Manfrotto 322RC2 Horizontal Grip Action Ball Head with RC2 Rapid Connect Plate (3157N) $129.90

Manfrotto 055XPROB Pro Tripod Legs (Black) $179.90

Canon RS-80N3 Remote Switch for EOS-1V/1VHS, EOS-3, EOS-D2000, D30, D60, 1D, 1Ds, EOS-1D Mark II,III, EOS-1Ds Mark II,III, EOS-10D, 20D, 30D,40D, 50D, 5D $49.97

Canon 6255A003 Neck Straps for Eos Rebel Series - Pro Neck Strap $29.63

Canon Speedlite 580EX II Flash for Canon EOS Digital SLR Cameras $422.58

WITH

Gary Fong LS2P4 Lightsphere II Size 4 (Clear) $39.95

...

Then at some point I recommend a nice bag for your toys and more batteries/flash cards.

These things should give you a pretty nice setup for buildings, walk around, and for low-light shooting.
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#2882810 - 10/19/09 03:49 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Counterman]
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I have a Canon T1i that I love that I got a couple of months ago, I'm wishing now though that I had gone with a 50D or waited and gotten a 7D now...it just seems like I would benefit from the better AF system on the 50D or 7D. Then again I could just be thinking like a guy and wanting the biggest and best out there...

7D is makin me droool, trying to find a way to convince the wife to let me upgrade...


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#2883407 - 10/20/09 11:31 AM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: TheBigDog]
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i just bought the 7D! not shipping yet...

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-EOS-7D-28-13...3492&sr=8-2

that's my last indulgent purchase for awhile...whew that's a lot to have spent on a whim
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#2883430 - 10/20/09 11:51 AM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: peppergomez]
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Holy crap; good way to blow 2K though! Congratulations biggrin

(The lenses will start to call out for you now)

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#2883439 - 10/20/09 12:13 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Gopher]
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Muuuuhhhhaaaaaa

Last indulgent purchase???

Those are the famous last words of every semi-pro DSLR user.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=se...amp;x=0&y=0

Great purchase Mate, you'll be very happy with you Canon.
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#2883456 - 10/20/09 12:30 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Counterman]
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Congrats! I'm sure you'll have fun with it. That 28-125mm lens looks it will cover a pretty good range, so you might not need another lens right away. But at some point, you'll feel the irresistible call of new glass...
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#2883596 - 10/20/09 03:41 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Arthonon]
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dear god...i feel like i'm about to fall in with craven junkies, needing their next equipment fix
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#2883604 - 10/20/09 04:01 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: peppergomez]
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It's fun, buying new stuff and seeing what you can do with it. But in reality, I haven't bought any real camera equipment in over a year (aside from memory cards).

My focus (no pun intended) has always been aircraft photography, so even though I have purchased a lot of equipment, many of the items were stepping stones - mistakes, in some cases - until I got the setup I wanted. I just kept them because they can be a pain to sell and do come in useful some times.

I bought a 20D and it came with the 18-55 EFS lens, and you can't hardly give that away, let alone sell it. Plus, it's a nice, cheap lens for shooting work gatherings and stuff, where image quality is not that important.

After that I tried to get a cheap air show lens, and bought a Tamron 28-300 lens. After a few shows, I wasn't thrilled with the results, so I saved up and bought a Canon 28-300 IS lens, and after a few shows wasn't happy with its reach.

I finally got smart and did some research for the next one, and bought the Canon 100-400, and that's what I'm using to this day. I'd say it's on my 1D camera 99% of the time for what I do.

The only other lens I've bought is the Canon 50mm 1.8, which has to be the best lens deal out there, at under $100. I use it for those rare occasions when I'm shooting portraits, and it's great - very sharp, great DoF control, and small enough to easily carry around.
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#2889866 - 10/28/09 06:02 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Counterman]
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Originally Posted By: Counterman
Gary Fong LS2P4 Lightsphere II Size 4 (Clear) $39.95
ditch that, its the worst purchase i ever made.. used it a hand full of times, it now sits in the corner of my office collecting dust..

learn to control light instead..

Pepper, congrats on the purchase of ur 7D, that should last you a good few years smile now its time to start saving for the expensive glass to take advantage of that nice body biggrin

i have to concur Kens statement about the 50 1.8 it's a great little lens, and if you do get one, you'll need some practice shooting it in low light or @ f/1.8. you'll get a lot of bad shots to begin with..

oh, and turn the dial to M and leave it there smile
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#2897704 - 11/09/09 01:47 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Counterman]
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I just bought the Canon D50 kit with 28-135mm lens, extra zoom lens, flash, bag all for about $2400.00.
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#2897851 - 11/09/09 05:53 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: specialksl]
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#2897951 - 11/09/09 09:09 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Arthonon]
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Originally Posted By: Arthonon
It's fun, buying new stuff and seeing what you can do with it. But in reality, I haven't bought any real camera equipment in over a year (aside from memory cards).

My focus (no pun intended) has always been aircraft photography, so even though I have purchased a lot of equipment, many of the items were stepping stones - mistakes, in some cases - until I got the setup I wanted. I just kept them because they can be a pain to sell and do come in useful some times.

I bought a 20D and it came with the 18-55 EFS lens, and you can't hardly give that away, let alone sell it. Plus, it's a nice, cheap lens for shooting work gatherings and stuff, where image quality is not that important.

After that I tried to get a cheap air show lens, and bought a Tamron 28-300 lens. After a few shows, I wasn't thrilled with the results, so I saved up and bought a Canon 28-300 IS lens, and after a few shows wasn't happy with its reach.

I finally got smart and did some research for the next one, and bought the Canon 100-400, and that's what I'm using to this day. I'd say it's on my 1D camera 99% of the time for what I do.

The only other lens I've bought is the Canon 50mm 1.8, which has to be the best lens deal out there, at under $100. I use it for those rare occasions when I'm shooting portraits, and it's great - very sharp, great DoF control, and small enough to easily carry around.


I agree with this, I used the 400mm L for my cold lake airshow pics, worked great, and I also have the 50mm 1.8 gives me the sharpest pics.
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#2898588 - 11/10/09 09:39 PM Re: best digital camera for $2G? [Re: Yojimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Counterman
Gary Fong LS2P4 Lightsphere II Size 4 (Clear) $39.95
ditch that, its the worst purchase i ever made.. used it a hand full of times, it now sits in the corner of my office collecting dust..

learn to control light instead..


I have found the Lightsphere only works well when there is a white ceiling above. Otherwise it lets too much light escape from use.

Peppergomez, whatever you do, do not buy any "L" lenses. smile

They are addictive and detrimental to your wallet.

I joke, but seriously, great glass really lets these DSLRs shine.

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