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#2881934 - 10/18/09 04:06 AM Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event!
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NKP is pleased to announce the inaugural race of the Green Gate Air Racing Series will be held at Meaux, France.
Course has been opened for single plane practice runs.

Update 06 Nov 09: GGAR course at Meaux has been opened for competition!
2 player head to head mission uploaded

Green Gate Air Racing Series ©





missions use a base MCU sequence developed & published by Laser in his Nieuport 28 Training - Mission 01. thanks Laser.






Edited by soda (11/06/09 01:55 AM)
Edit Reason: notice of competition mission
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#2881936 - 10/18/09 04:32 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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Yesss, was sooo waiting for a Race mission ! Downloading now and thanks !

S!

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#2881941 - 10/18/09 04:56 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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Ok, after first try i crashed in a bridge at 2/3 part of the mission biggrin Very nice and one has to be very careful at the bridges indeed, good for the hand-joystick coordination.

Already got some ideas - first a question, why not make the timer start automatically when the user goes through the first gate? Although i can understand the present setup as good for training when people will race in coop missions (is this the answer ? lol). And some image just came up, perhaps to put balloons or something inside the gates, so that the player has to shoot them to pass through.

Very nice mission, and i still have to see the template at work smile

EDIT: Managed to finish once in ~8 minutes. There was a gate who didn't disappear after going through it, i think one of the latest (3rd or so before the last one). I think you put a lot of effort to make this mission, congratulations!

S!


Edited by Laser (10/18/09 05:29 AM)

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#2882063 - 10/18/09 10:36 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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Excellent!!!

Na Kane Pono (I may be the only other one here who knows what that means smile ) indeed!

Mahalo!

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#2882076 - 10/18/09 10:56 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: HotTom]
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pleased to hear you enjoy this little mission Laser. big thx for all your work, great stuff!

lol, yes sir, gate activation & timer start are independent of player action to allow for future multiplayer competition. plus i felt it added a little strategy factor and excitement to try time course entry, may as well get your heart rate up from the start.

thx for notification on gate problem, i’ll try find & correct, most likely left one in from opposite gate start.

did you try the template made for your DFGen? little different application of your utility but seems to work well to quickly create missions that use plane other than the default N28. interesting how differently course has to be run different with speeds SPAD & SE5a are capable of.

rumor has it Martin will show up today in his N17, we’ll see how that goes.
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#2882079 - 10/18/09 11:03 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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aloha brother HT!

the current unofficial (but screenshot verified) N28 course record is 08:14 held by Percy Dobtossel.




beat that!
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#2882085 - 10/18/09 11:10 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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I tried the template and it works ok smile I glanced at the mission in the editor, and, man, i wish there were another means of displaying seconds on screen, without the need to define each second's subtitle. Also, i'm not sure if, triggered in this way, each by the previous one, delays won't accumulate so what you see on screen is not necessary one second later, but one second *and* something. Speculating further, if so, maybe triggering subtitles all from an initial timer, but through one-intermediate-timer of 1 sec, 2 seconds, 3 seconds etc. should provide for better time (as i say, pure speculation).

Another thinking loud idea would be at one point to make the plane climb, climb, climb and then dive through circles/gates from height, at high speed, to an under-bridge gate biggrin

S!

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#2882102 - 10/18/09 11:51 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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I lost 3-4 seconds at start, i put no ammo and 25% fuel, and i think 10 seconds more or so could be squeezed with careful flying and first-gate-timing smile


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#2882119 - 10/18/09 12:19 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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excellent Laser! if you can confirm 08:01 course time uses competition settings i’d like your permission to post your screenshot on NKP.

i'm almost ashamed to admit how much time i stubbornly spent, convinced i could get a 'spotwatch' type time display triggered by finish gate check zone. in the end with spinning head accepted could not so settled for screen shot verification. current timers seem accurate when checked against manual timing.

thinking ahead to MP competition, subtitles display in MP spectator mode, correct? & i can place a camera at finish gates for timing officials to record displayed results?
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of the courage that is just beyond fear.'

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#2882132 - 10/18/09 12:39 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
excellent Laser! if you can confirm 08:01 course time uses competition settings i’d like your permission to post your screenshot on NKP.

i'm almost ashamed to admit how much time i stubbornly spent, convinced i could get a 'spotwatch' type time display triggered by finish gate check zone. in the end with spinning head accepted could not so settled for screen shot verification. current timers seem accurate when checked against manual timing.

thinking ahead to MP competition, subtitles display in MP spectator mode, correct? & i can place a camera at finish gates for timing officials to record displayed results?


Well i had subtitles and warm engine on, all else unchecked so realistic. I can't give you another type of confirmation unless i fly at same quality again and record myself smile

S!

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#2882162 - 10/18/09 01:36 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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Originally Posted By: Laser
I can't give you another type of confirmation unless i fly at same quality again and record myself smile

no need sir, NKP updated to include Unofficial Practice Lap Times: Green Gate Air Racing Series ©
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#2882187 - 10/18/09 02:27 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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That time should be beaten fast smile I think a quick way for not-so-competitive races would be to put at the final gate a comparison - if time less than X:Y minutes:seconds, player is congratulated with "great! you finished under X:Y" otherwise encouraged "you can do better" etc.

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#2882189 - 10/18/09 02:30 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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Yes, yes, must race in the NP17!

Greased lightning, she is.
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#2882417 - 10/19/09 02:13 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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Last one to the mustard factory is a ninny!

Should Meaux have fields of mustard flowers I looked for (texture artist info maybe) and found a nice war story Smile2

Quote:
In a village named Penchard there was some very sharp fighting, and some of our artillery were posted hereabouts. Presently a German aeroplane came overhead circling round in reconnaissance. But it was out for more than that. Suddenly it began to drop bombs, and whether by design or otherwise — they have no manners, these fellows — they exploded in the middle of a field hospital. One of my friends, a young doctor, was wounded in the left arm by a bullet from one of these bombs, though I don't know what other casualties there were. But the inevitable happened. Shortly after the disappearance of the aeroplane the German shells searched the position, and found it with unpleasant accuracy. It is always the same. The German aeroplanes are really wonderful in the way they search out the positions of our guns. We always know that within half an hour of an observation by aeroplane the shells will begin to fall above the gunners unless they have altered their position. It was so in this fighting round Meaux yesterday.


http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Story_Zouave/Story_Zouave_01.htm

Hmm two-seater, observer in the back, click on a spot below correctly: artillery barrage opens up on it "the way they search out the positions of our guns" challenge

Nice work soda!

Ming
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#2882815 - 10/19/09 03:53 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Had another go.

This time again with no ammo, and only 16% fuel (competition settings - subtitles and warm engine on, all else off). After i passed the last gate, i made one loop and the engine stopped smile So the fuel limit is around that time, i got lucky it seems.


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#2883141 - 10/20/09 06:39 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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Just wanted to say thanks Soda for the time you put into this race. Very fun! I only had the chance to fly it about 4 times and have yet to complete the course. The series of 3 bridges has proved difficult for me, but I'm confident I'll find the correct line soon.

You too, Laser for your "training" mission. Neat stuff. The last gate through the stacks was great!

I've got to get a MP conversion setup for this. The thought of 4 (or more!) aircraft trying to squeeze through the same section of bridge is way cool. Gotta find some larger obstacles too. A race like this down city streets would be killer. Perhaps even incorporate a shooting objective, so carrying ammo is necessary.

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#2883172 - 10/20/09 07:25 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Gustang]
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The reason Laser got such a good time is that I helped out by enlarging the holes underneath the bridges by cleverly impacting them.

smile
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#2883515 - 10/20/09 01:28 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Dart]
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Originally Posted By: Dart
The reason Laser got such a good time is that I helped out by enlarging the holes underneath the bridges by cleverly impacting them.

smile




That explains the holes in the water then smile

S!

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#2883736 - 10/20/09 10:09 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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Here's a 4-player MP conversion (All n28, but you can easily change the type in the editor). Only tested w/ 2 players at this point, but the concept works OK so far. There are all kinds of things that can be done to change it up. Interesting how the reverse course will cause the leader to fly head-ons with the laggers.

http://www.filefront.com/14763319/4P_GreenGateAirRacing_Meaux_LeftGatePractice.zip

I'm thinking about setting up a figure 8, just to increase the collision potential. Enjoy!

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#2883981 - 10/21/09 08:45 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Gustang]
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Gustang that was a blast last night testing the two player version. But I think the link is bad.

WH_JoeBob

EDIT: Now it's working, thanks Tim.


Edited by WH_JoeBob (10/21/09 09:12 AM)
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#2884962 - 10/21/09 05:20 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: DD_JoeBob]
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dang Laser, 07:51 is a very good time! you must have nailed the start & had one heck of a turn at gate 16. Percy is really depressed, he’s walking around here mumbling something about not fair having Dart make pukas for you. NKP Meaux GGAR page updated with new time.

how do your right start gate times compare?
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'It was as good to go on as to go back, and it was never good to go
back before reaching one's objective. That was bad for the discipline
of the courage that is just beyond fear.'

Sir Philip Gibbs
Now it Can be Told. Harper & Brothers, 1920.


Na Kane Pono - Realism and Immersion

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#2885025 - 10/21/09 07:41 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19
Last one to the mustard factory is a ninny!

Should Meaux have fields of mustard flowers I looked for (texture artist info maybe) and found a nice war story Smile2

Quote:
In a village named Penchard there was some very sharp fighting, and some of our artillery were posted hereabouts. Presently a German aeroplane came overhead circling round in reconnaissance. But it was out for more than that. Suddenly it began to drop bombs, and whether by design or otherwise — they have no manners, these fellows — they exploded in the middle of a field hospital. One of my friends, a young doctor, was wounded in the left arm by a bullet from one of these bombs, though I don't know what other casualties there were. But the inevitable happened. Shortly after the disappearance of the aeroplane the German shells searched the position, and found it with unpleasant accuracy. It is always the same. The German aeroplanes are really wonderful in the way they search out the positions of our guns. We always know that within half an hour of an observation by aeroplane the shells will begin to fall above the gunners unless they have altered their position. It was so in this fighting round Meaux yesterday.


http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Story_Zouave/Story_Zouave_01.htm

Hmm two-seater, observer in the back, click on a spot below correctly: artillery barrage opens up on it "the way they search out the positions of our guns" challenge

Nice work soda!

Ming


Ming, thanks for the introduction to Sir Philip Gibbs, what a powerful writer. just spent a hour learning about him. reading ‘Now it Can be Told’.
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back before reaching one's objective. That was bad for the discipline
of the courage that is just beyond fear.'

Sir Philip Gibbs
Now it Can be Told. Harper & Brothers, 1920.


Na Kane Pono - Realism and Immersion

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#2885187 - 10/22/09 03:16 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
dang Laser, 07:51 is a very good time! you must have nailed the start & had one heck of a turn at gate 16. Percy is really depressed, he’s walking around here mumbling something about not fair having Dart make pukas for you. NKP Meaux GGAR page updated with new time.

how do your right start gate times compare?


I haven't started yet the right-start-gate course. On the left side, learning 'where the next gate is' is very good because i can go above the trees and cut directly to the next circle. For the gate 16 i use a kind of hammerhead but i think that can be improved by making it shorter. I still have to check if it's faster to go near ground/water level or to easily climb after a gate, trying not to loose speed then diving to get even more before the next one. This helps me a lot to learn the plane smile

For multiplayer, nice 1vs1 could be made by using check zones and gates enabled one for order one for opposite, and the tracks being parallel with intersections biggrin (i.e. left gate for order, very close to it a right gate for opposite, but at next gates they are switched). In this way, those who finish first can activate the 'order wins' or 'opposite wins' target object hooked to the end object mission or to the deactivation of enemy's gates. Or, when you reach a specific gate, you can activate an alternate course for the enemy :P, either longer or more difficult.


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#2885921 - 10/22/09 10:33 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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Gus! 4 planes on one course must be absolute mayhem!
Wounded ... any chance you guys could film a run for us?

the head to head multiplayer competition version is a little different than you suggest Laser. it uses order/opposite designations (so template for your DFGen can be used) and same gates, timers & check gate notifications as practice versions. order pilot is assigned right start gate (finishing left), opposite to use left start gate (finish right). at start both the right & left start gates are activated at the same time. competitors run independent for first 6 six gates, merging at gate 7. distance from right start to gate 7 is about 900m shorter than left, but has the tight turn at gates 3 & 4. if both pilots get even start & run perfect, should be a slight stagger going into the shared gates. leader has right of way after gate 7.

used separate order/opposite designations from trigger check zone advanced properties to send gate check notice/deactivate at solo gates; both order/opposite designations plus a 2 counter at shared gates. first one through finish gate triggers win message & deactivates competitors finish trigger check zone.

could get messy but should be doable. what do you think?
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'It was as good to go on as to go back, and it was never good to go
back before reaching one's objective. That was bad for the discipline
of the courage that is just beyond fear.'

Sir Philip Gibbs
Now it Can be Told. Harper & Brothers, 1920.


Na Kane Pono - Realism and Immersion

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#2886013 - 10/23/09 03:41 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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Gus! 4 planes on one course must be absolute mayhem!
Wounded ... any chance you guys could film a run for us?

the head to head multiplayer competition version is a little different than you suggest Laser. it uses order/opposite designations (so template for your DFGen can be used) and same gates, timers & check gate notifications as practice versions. order pilot is assigned right start gate (finishing left), opposite to use left start gate (finish right). at start both the right & left start gates are activated at the same time. competitors run independent for first 6 six gates, merging at gate 7. distance from right start to gate 7 is about 900m shorter than left, but has the tight turn at gates 3 & 4. if both pilots get even start & run perfect, should be a slight stagger going into the shared gates. leader has right of way after gate 7.

used separate order/opposite designations from trigger check zone advanced properties to send gate check notice/deactivate at solo gates; both order/opposite designations plus a 2 counter at shared gates. first one through finish gate triggers win message & deactivates competitors finish trigger check zone.

could get messy but should be doable. what do you think?



Sounds pretty cool biggrin

(I was thinking that seeing all along the race where the competitor is - behind or in front - when going in parallel - should make me try to run even faster - like the rabbit following the carrot. And the intersections will add to excitement during the course. But that's for another race mission, in this one that you present you distribute the dosage differently - very exciting/risky at the beginning and at the end, and 'normal' in the middle, which is also 'kewl' smile ).

S!

Now, who can make the AI a worthy opponent biggrin in a race mission - i.e. make 'him' pass through the gates as fast as possible and without crashing too often ? This is a research theme in itself i guess smile


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#2886111 - 10/23/09 06:29 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda
Gus! 4 planes on one course must be absolute mayhem!
Wounded ... any chance you guys could film a run for us?


I did record some of our last session. It'll be a while before I can sit down and get it compressed and up to youtube though.

So far, 4 planes doesn't seem like a problem at all. The first gate isn't active until the countdown, and not everyone times their descent to it in unison, so there's usually some separation between the racers at that point. Everyone is going all out, so relative positions don't change quickly (but they can if someone uses too much rudder for instance). At gate 17 (whatever the turn point is), I did have a near head-on with another racer, but he passed under the bridge on his right just before I did the same, so it was close.

It's fun and I've already had requests to add more aircraft. When I have a chance, I'll push it up to 6 and then 8 and we'll see how it goes.

FYI - in my conversion, the last gate message for plane 3 says something like "Plane 3 - final gate checked! Plane 1 wins!", but it's an error and needs to be corrected. The first one to pass through the last gate should still trigger the correct win message (in all caps).

Anyway, again, there are all kinds of things/objectives you can do with this.

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#2886416 - 10/23/09 12:52 PM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Gustang]
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Managed to improve it a little. smile


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#2895561 - 11/06/09 01:52 AM Re: Meaux awarded inaugural Green Gate Air Racing event! [Re: Laser]
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GGAR course at Meaux has been opened for competition!
2 player head to head mission uploaded; Green Gate Air Racing Series ©
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'It was as good to go on as to go back, and it was never good to go
back before reaching one's objective. That was bad for the discipline
of the courage that is just beyond fear.'

Sir Philip Gibbs
Now it Can be Told. Harper & Brothers, 1920.


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