Dart, it's fine if you enjoy such a limited amount of game play.

I do wish you would read my posts before you respond to them with your knee jerking so wildly, though.

I think a Leader Board is a very good idea but I do not think any kind of scoring in a sim in which virtually aspect of play doesn't work (is "broken") is pointless.

Repair the modes of play and, yes, I applaud a Leader Board.

I think I said that above but -- as you were with your ill-advised (read: disastrous) foray into the OFF Forum without ever having played OFF -- you're just hearing what you want to hear and responding to stuff that wasn't said.

So, yeah, if you are happy with the sim's game play the way it is, have a great time! But you won't have much company....

It's fine if you enjoy Multiplay by spending most of your time watching others fly as a spectator waiting for the mission to load and then being kicked back to the main screen for no understandable reason. If you find that enjoyable, have at it!

It's fine if you enjoy SP campaigns that are hopelessly historically incorrect and in which your AI wingmen always outnumber the enemy AI and your AI wingmen get most of the kills because of their sniper ability.

It's fine if you enjoy Single Player that has sniper AI that makes anything beyond 1 vs 1 impossible.

Clearly, you are very easily amused.

I expect a lot more in the settings in which I fly RoF's beautiful airplane models but I see NO signs that RoF is heading in that direction.

And unless people squeak their wheel here, there won't be any grease. As dense as those developers are, there may not be any grease anyway.

Eventually Neoqb may (or may not) "get it" that with so many customers expressing such great unhappiness with the product in such a public manner, Neoqb is losing huge numbers of potential sales.

And, if they ever realize what the complaints are costing them, Neoqb may (or may not) fix some of these problems.

So, yeah, if you're happy with the way things are, good on you.

I think you are in a very tiny minority, however.

Personally, I continue to see great potential in RoF but, increasingly, I am doubting it ever will be realized.

But, we'll all stay tuned and watch the next exciting chapter in "The Adventures of Neoqb," won't we?




HT

They didn't wait for the complaints to start to work on these issues... in fact they realized most of them before the game release...


If you stay around long enough, you'll realize how much your doubts are unfounded...

Stay around...

Honesty, honestly, and this is what i think, all of us should have more patient with this. Lefty already told that their programmers are 'working as dogs' on the product. BTW on the russian forums (use the google tools to automatically translate everything with one click) they say are aleady working on the 3rd version of RoF internally - dogfight mode and other stuff. Unless you have experience in programming industry, for sure it's easy to misunderstand the time scale needed. I'm not a fanboy, but i see how much time it take to make a SIMPLE thing, so i can imagine how it is to make a COMPLEX thing right. Do complain, by all means, it's your right, but don't pretend you know better (Sorry if i offend anyone, not my intention)

Laser,

I don't troll the Russian RoF Forums with Babelfish. If Lefty is giving assurances there that he isn't on the English version, that's just another symptom of Neoqb's lack of communication skills.

Hell, I rarely look through RoF's English forum because its organization (or lack thereof) remains so hopelessly confusing despite promises to simplify it. No one else seems to use it much, either, based on the very few number of posts.

In every other sim I've played in the past decade (OFF, Falcon 4.0 and Steel Beasts Pro for example), the developers talked to the community not only on their "official forum" but on others like SimHQ or Frugal and others.

In Steel Beasts, the PR guy is a German. But he's totally bilingual and he posts on lots of forums.

Ever see Lefty posting in here? Maybe I missed it....

Those other developers don't let every cat out of every bag or make promises they can't keep regarding specific changes on specific dates but they do let their communities know they hear us.

They may not agree with what everyone is saying, but there is at least an acknowledgement that the massage has been received: Maybe not a "Roger Wilco" but at least a "Roger."

I found Lefty's response to you quite disturbing and, sadly, quite typical.

Lefty virtually (no pun intended) slammed the door on working with any other modder.

If I were running a company and he were my PR guy, there would be skid marks on the sidewalk from me booting him out the door.

Yes, I assume they are working on fixes. But the last time they released a patch it screwed up more stuff than it corrected.

I will remain patient and I will continue to play RoF in the very limited manner that it allows. That includes your excellent generator, which at least allows me to make some fun 1 vs 1 missions.

But where I was once very hopeful about RoF's future, I am now very dubious.

A simple opening of channels of communication would make me feel more reassured about the sim's future.

I still see great potential in RoF but am not getting the assurances I would like that I'm being heard.

One of the many things I learned in politics is that most people don't want to hear a politician give a speech. They want the politician to listen to them and acknowledge they have heard the message.

Same thing in business.

S!

HT

Actaully, I'm not that upset at historically inaccuracy.

And Sorry, I've flown more missions where my campaign flight has been outnumbered than when we were on top. I've encountered friendly and enemy flights (and fights) to and from the objectives; and I seem to be doing okay on the kill front.

Then again, I don't expect to rack up 80 kills in ten missions. I think that's the paradox of all the "reality" hounds. They want realism, but then they want to have these unhistorical kill tallies.

Maybe you're not the Red Baron himself! There was only one, you know.



Again, you must be playing an entirely different sim than I am. Perhaps you should practice more.


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Tom, my reading comprehension skills are as good as your editing ones.

The OFF community can't handle one tenth of the truth about their sim's faults - not that it's stopped all the mud they've thrown at Rise of Flight. Odd how we have all sorts in the RoF forums that slag the sim (without ever having purchased it) and this just fine by OFF community standards, but to dare write one bit of criticism with their "perfect" sim and it's heresy.

Broken? One has to buy CFS3 to work OFF, making it a mod. Almost zero multiplayer. FM based on tables! Tables! Hello, 1995 called, they want their method of determining physics back!