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#2883581 - 10/20/09 03:02 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Nutty]
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It's easier now for me to press a different button or flick a switch on a panel.


Good point. thumbsup
I don't like to do "5 things" with the same joy button, this cause a mess in my brain. biggrin

In IL-2 I prefer assign functions to buttons in game GUI, cause I can chance any button assignment "in game".

Sokol1

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#2885014 - 10/21/09 07:15 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Nutty]
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Originally Posted By: Nutty87th
Just add some Cougar MFDs, or GoFlight panels, or RealSimulator hardware etc. if you want more buttons and do away with needing multiple flags to squeeze multiple functions onto one button. wink Much as I used to love squeezing and reading through various users' logical programming, I'm gettin' too old and lazy for it all these days. wink It's easier now for me to press a different button or flick a switch on a panel.


Or, while in the buying mood you can buy one or more CH MFP's and set up a whole mess of systems to your liking. wink
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#2885721 - 10/22/09 03:24 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Corsair8X]
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I'm going to buy a second setup when SOW comes out, but if the innards look anything like the cougar when pics start coming out - forget it. I'll just get a second CH fighterstick setup.

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#2886764 - 10/24/09 04:06 AM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Nutty]
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Originally Posted By: Nutty87th

Just add some Cougar MFDs, or GoFlight panels, or RealSimulator hardware etc. if you want more buttons and do away with needing multiple flags to squeeze multiple functions onto one button. wink Much as I used to love squeezing and reading through various users' logical programming, I'm gettin' too old and lazy for it all these days. wink It's easier now for me to press a different button or flick a switch on a panel.


If this is a hint that the new software isn't going to be as flexible as Foxy then I'm worried.

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#2886790 - 10/24/09 05:22 AM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: KaiserB]
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just do what i did...

get a ch combatstick, and mod a Suncom SFS throttle (with a the CH products joystick circuit board)...




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#2887127 - 10/24/09 03:32 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: hannibal]
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I used to have a Suncom SFS Throttle myself, with full intent to mod it to USB.

...I never did. The main confusing part were those weird linear pots with only two pins rather than the usual three, not to mention figuring out how I'd ever manage to wire up the rest of the thing.

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#2887289 - 10/24/09 10:22 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: Nutty]
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Originally Posted By: Nutty87th
Originally Posted By: Jedi Master
I guess the Saitek and Logitech offerings have convinced them it's time to replace the Cougar?


These were in design well before they learned of the Saitek and Logitech offerings. (I know because I was there.) I can't release further details yet as I'm under contract and NDA, but the name pretty much gives it away as to what's coming.

Nutty



Hot damn Nutty that is great news! smile

I hope you make Foxy support the Cougar and the Split throttle simultaneously so those of us with modded NXT's will be able to use it. I'll buy the new stick just for the throttle.

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#2890575 - 10/29/09 03:40 PM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: hannibal]
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We HAVE winner!!!

Nice job.

Now, how could I find myself one of those dual throttles??? biggrin

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#2892170 - 11/01/09 07:00 AM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: aRareKindOfMonster]
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Originally Posted By: aRareKindOfMonster
We HAVE winner!!!

Nice job.

Now, how could I find myself one of those dual throttles??? biggrin


It's a Suncom SFS Throttle. Suncom went out of business years ago, so you are going to have to look for a used one (if somebody has one new in the box, it will probably be priced just slightly lower than a Van Gogh painting).

The Suncom SFS throttle is an old analog game port and keyboard device. To make it into a USB device will not be trivial. There is an excellent (but old) thread on converting Suncom sticks and throttle to USB over in the X-Plane forums:
http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?showtopic=27496

It is a 15 page thread, but if you want to undertake converting Suncom controllers to USB, there are ome real gems in there.

Of course, Hannibal's specific approach (using a board from a USB joystick) is proven to work, but you would probably still benefit from reading that thread. One item that was a bit surprising is that NONE of the buttons (switches) in the SFS throttle are seen by your computer as joystick buttons. They are all feeding into a keyboard emulator.

I'm still thinking about converting mine, but I'd probably use a Leo Bodnar board. With at least 3 major game controller manufacturers offering split throttle controllers now (Logitech), or in the near future (Saitek and Thrustmaster), it's getting a little less tempting to take that task on. Time will tell.

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#2892279 - 11/01/09 09:51 AM Re: Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog Discussion Thread [Re: CyBerkut]
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If only I saw that thread several years ago...

There would have been a key difference, however-since I had the SFS Throttle paired with a TM F-22 Pro at the time, I wanted to take the analog gameport passthrough on the SFS Throttle and pass it to the USB controller's X/Y axes and first four buttons so as to keep the whole setup under one DirectInput ID.

Also, there's no way I would've left keyboard emulation on the SFS itself-especially with those bottom two side switches limited to program switching. Everything on there would have been a DirectInput button, and I might have even considered changing the outer rocker to a proper rotary and adding another axis that way.

During the time I did have it, though, I do have to say that the SFS Throttle did feel pretty good in my hands and had a nice, smooth throw. Same could be said of Suncom's sticks-I found an F-15 Hawk at a thrift store a while back, and while it was an extremely basic stick, it felt like they got the stick movement feel just right. It was also very ergonomic overall. Too bad that even the top shelf Eagle/Talon sticks are missing a few switches from the real F-15 stick (paddle switch, second trigger detent, the "button" on the left side of the shaft should be three-way).

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