Hi
I just downloaded the Cl-604 by JP Brisard.
I think it's the only model about a challenger for FSX.

The prob is that, in real life, I'm a Fligh dispatcher for cl-601, 604 and others private jet, but the one in game doesnt even reach the 601 real-life perf.

I tweaked things like the fuel. I put the real numbers in the mains and central tanks.

Now I would need help with speed and altitude. It can't even reach higher than Mach.76. The 601's cruise speed is .80 and 604 .81-.82. Same thing with the alt.... This one take ages to reach FL370, but real one cruise at 380-390 (and can sometimes reach 400).
Also, it's not normal that it take off at 160 IAS............. geez, I was almos out of runway on a 9000'one.

I hope someone can help

// MODEL FOR a Challenger 604
// JP Brisard NOV 05 , 2006
// March 21,2007, 2007

// CFG REWORKED FOR NEW CHALLENGER604
// JPB, APRIL 1, 2007

// CHALLENGER 604 N588MT
// JPB, February 19, 2008


[fltsim.0]
title=cL604_FURG
sim=604_9
model=
panel=cl604x
sound=
texture=CFURG
kb_checklists=cl604_check
kb_reference=cl604_ref
atc_id=CFURG
ui_manufacturer=Bombardier
ui_type=Challenger 604
ui_variation=Gouvernement Québec
description=Texture du Service aérien gouvernemental (SAG) par Jean-Pierre Fillion. C-FURG est l'avion-ambulance et l'avion-hôpital du Gouvernement du Québec.



[fltsim.1]
title=cl604_N598MT
sim=604_9
model=
panel=cl604x
sound=
texture=598MT
kb_checklists=cl604_check
kb_reference=cl604_ref
atc_id=N598MT
ui_manufacturer=Bombardier
ui_type=Challenger 604
ui_variation=N598MT VIP
description=Bombardier \nChallenger 604 for FSX\nPremier Aircraft Design\nwww.premaircraft.com\/\The Bombardier Challenger 600 series is a family of business jets designed by Bill Lear and produced first by Canadair until that company was bought by Bombardier Aerospace in 1986.

[General]
atc_type=Bombardier
atc_model=Challenger
editable=0
performance=Cruise Speed\tMach 0.80\nMaximum Range\t3,590 nm\nService Ceiling\t40,000 ft\nMax Gross Weight\t45,100 lb\nSeating\t\tUp to 9\nUseful Load\t4,750 lb\n
Category=airplane

[Views]
eyepoint = -16.4, -1.2, 3.8 // -17.4, -1.2, 3.5

[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]

reference_datum_position = 34.5, 0, 0 // (feet) distance from FlightSim Reference position, which is: (1/4 chord, centerline, waterline)
empty_weight_CG_position = -34.5, 0, 0 // (feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from specified datum

max_number_of_stations = 20

station_load.0 = "190, -17.0, -1.2, 0.0, Pilot" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.1 = "195, -17.0, 1.2, 0.0, Co-Pilot" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.2 = "190, -22.5, -1.2, 0.0, Passenger 1" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.3 = "190, -22.5, 1.2, 0.0, Passenger 2" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.4 = "210, -26.7, -1.2, 0.0, Passenger 3" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.5 = "210, -26.7, 1.2, 0.0, Passenger 4" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.6 = "200, -30.9, -1.2, 0.0, Passenger 5" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.7 = "200, -30.9, 1.2, 0.0, Passenger 6" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.8 = "200, -35.1, -1.2, 0.0, Passenger 7" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.9 = "200, -35.1, 1.2, 0.0, Passenger 8" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.10 = "600, -42.0, 0.0, 0.0, Baggage1" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)
station_load.11 = "350, -45.0, 0.0, 0.0, Baggage2" // Weight(lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)


;Moments of Inertia
empty_weight= 26250.000
empty_weight_roll_MOI= 100500.000
empty_weight_pitch_MOI= 200000.000
empty_weight_yaw_MOI= 300500.000
empty_weight_coupled_MOI= 0.000
max_gross_weight= 45100.000

[electrical]
max_battery_voltage=24
generator_alternator_voltage=26
max_generator_alternator_amps=100
electric_always_available=0

;BusType, MaxAmpLoad, MinVoltage BusTypes:0=MainBus,1=AvionicsBus,2=BatteryBus,3=HotBatteryBus,4-7=Generator/AlternatorBus(1-4)
avionics_bus = 0, 5 , 9.5
avionics = 1, 5 , 9.5
additional_system = 0, 2 , 9.5
marker_beacon = 1, 2 , 9.0
fuel_pump = 0, 5 , 9.0

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar=0.915
parasite_drag_scalar=1.00
induced_drag_scalar=1.00
elevator_effectiveness=1.38
aileron_effectiveness=1.27
rudder_effectiveness=1.0
pitch_stability=2.150
roll_stability=1.250
yaw_stability=1.000
elevator_trim_effectiveness=0.999
aileron_trim_effectiveness=0.400
rudder_trim_effectiveness=0.400

[GeneralEngineData]
engine_type= 1
Engine.0= -10.400, -5.200, 4.000
Engine.1= -10.400, 5.200, 4.000
fuel_flow_scalar= 1.236
min_throttle_limit=-0.15 //Minimum percent throttle. Generally negative for turbine reverser
max_contrail_temperature = -30


[TurbineEngineData]
bypass_ratio=5.370
fuel_flow_gain= 0.003
inlet_area= 11.510
rated_N2_rpm= 29920.000
static_thrust= 9140.000
afterburner_available= 0
reverser_available= 1

[jet_engine]
thrust_scalar=1.0


//0 Class
//1 Longitudinal Position (feet)
//2 Lateral Position (feet)
//3 Vertical Position (feet)
//4 Impact Damage Threshold (Feet Per Minute)
//5 Brake Map (0=None, 1=Left, 2=Right)
//6 Wheel Radius (feet)
//7 Steer Angle (degrees)
//8 Static Compression (feet) (0 if rigid)
//9 Max/Static Compression Ratio
//10 Damping Ratio (0=Undamped, 1=Critically Damped)
//11 Extension Time (seconds)
//12 Retraction Time (seconds)
//13 Sound Type

[contact_points]
point.0=1, -12.30, 0.00, -5.48, 1181.1, 0, 0.6349, 65.0, 0.3000, 2.5, 0.9100, 6.0, 7.0, 0, 260.0, 260.0
point.1=1, -38.75, -4.75, -5.82, 1574.8, 1, 0.6349, 0.0, 0.4798, 2.5, 0.5456, 8.0, 8.0, 2, 260.0, 260.0
point.2=1, -38.75, 4.75, -5.82, 1574.8, 2, 0.6349, 0.0, 0.4798, 2.5, 0.5456, 8.0, 8.0, 3, 260.0, 260.0
point.3=2, -37.83, -23.92, -3.00, 787.4, 0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 5, 0.0, 0.0
point.4=2, -37.83, 23.92, -3.00, 787.4, 0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 6, 0.0, 0.0
point.5=2, -57.17, 0.00, 0.00, 787.4, 0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 9, 0.0, 0.0
point.6=2, -11.47, 0.00, -1.50, 787.4, 0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 4, 0.0, 0.0
point.7=5, -11.47, 0.00, -1.50, 787.4, 0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 4, 0.0, 0.0

static_pitch = -0.84//-0.84
static_cg_height = 4.36 //4.36
gear_system_type=1 //Hydraulic

[gear_warning_system]
gear_warning_available=1 //Normal
pct_throttle_limit=0.1 //Percent throttle that activates warning
flap_limit_idle=15.0 //Flap angle that activates warning at idle
flap_limit_power=30.0 //Flap angle that activates warning at above idle

[hydraulic_system]
normal_pressure=3000.0 //PSI
electric_pumps=0 //electric pumps enabled
engine_map=1,1,0,0 //pumps on Eng1,2

[LIGHTS]
//Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing
light.0 = 3, -44.192, -30.9, -0.6, fx_navredm ,
light.1 = 3, -44.192, 30.8, -0.6, fx_navgrem ,
light.2 = 2, -71.53, 0.00, 13.862, fx_strobe ,
light.3 = 3, -68.10, 0.00, 2.821, fx_navwhi,
light.4 = 2, -44.52, -31.7, -0.6, fx_strobe ,
light.5 = 2, -44.52, 31.7, -0.6, fx_strobe ,
light.6 = 4, -37.50, 0.00, 2.25, fx_vclightwhite,
light.7 = 4, -32.50, 0.00, 2.25, fx_vclightwhite,
light.8 = 4, -24.50, 0.00, 2.25, fx_vclightwhite,
light.9 = 4, -14.50, 0.00, 2.25, fx_vclightwhite,
light.10 = 1, -66.10, 0.00, 15.375, fx_PADbeaconh,
light.11 = 1, -40.65, 0.00, -3.00, fx_PADbeaconh,



[Radios]
// Radio Type = availiable, standby frequency, has glide slope
Audio.1 = 1
Com.1 = 1, 0
Com.2 = 1, 0
Nav.1 = 1, 0, 1
Nav.2 = 1, 0, 0
Adf.1 = 1
Transponder.1 = 1
Marker.1 = 1

[exits]
number_of_exits = 1
exit_rate.0 = 0.4 ;Percent per second

[keyboard_response]
//Breakpoint speeds (knots) on the keyboard increments of control surfaces.
//Speed at which the incremenet is reduced to 1/2 and 1/8 respectively.
elevator=150, 250
aileron=150, 250
rudder=150, 250

[direction_indicators]
//1 Type: 0=None, 1=Vacuum Gyro, 2=Electric Gyro, 3=Electro-Mag Slaved Compass, 4=Slaved to another
//2 Indicator number of slaving indicator if Type=4
direction_indicator.0=3,0

[attitude_indicators]
//Type: 0=None, 1=Vacuum Gyro, 2=Electric Gyro
attitude_indicator.0=2
attitude_indicator.1=1

[turn_indicators]
//Type: 0=None, 1=Electric Gyro, 2= Vacuum Gyro
turn_indicator.0=0,0

[EFFECTS]
wake=fx_wake
water=fx_spray
dirt=fx_tchdrt
concrete=fx_sparks
touchdown=fx_tchdwnCX, 1
touchdown=fx_tchdwn_s, 1


[fuel]
Center1 = -41.4, 0.0, -1.5, 767.0, 0.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
LeftMain = -36.3, -10.0, -1.5, 730.5, 0.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
RightMain = -36.3, 10.0, -1.5, 730.5, 0.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
fuel_type = 2 //Fuel type: 1 = Avgas, 2 = JetA
number_of_tank_selectors = 1
electric_pump=1

[airplane_geometry]
wing_area= 490.000
wing_span= 63.900
wing_root_chord= 10.900
wing_dihedral= 3.000
wing_incidence= 1.500
wing_twist= 0.500
oswald_efficiency_factor= 0.785
wing_winglets_flag= 1
wing_sweep= 26.000
wing_pos_apex_lon= 7.900
wing_pos_apex_vert= 0.500
htail_area= 225.000
htail_span= 22.600
htail_pos_lon= -27.820
htail_pos_vert= 11.724
htail_incidence= 2.001
htail_sweep= 27.000
vtail_area= 191.000
vtail_span= 21.400
vtail_sweep= 30.000
vtail_pos_lon= -55.000
vtail_pos_vert= 4.100
elevator_area= 51.670
aileron_area= 13.500
rudder_area= 38.300
elevator_up_limit= 17.000
elevator_down_limit= 16.500
aileron_up_limit= 18.000
aileron_down_limit= 16.000
rudder_limit= 35.000
elevator_trim_limit= 22.000
spoiler_limit= 75.000
spoilerons_available= 1
aileron_to_spoileron_gain= 5.600
min_ailerons_for_spoilerons= 10.000
min_flaps_for_spoilerons= 0.000
auto_spoiler_available=1
spoiler_extension_time=1.500000
positive_g_limit_flaps_up=4.000000
positive_g_limit_flaps_down=3.000000
negative_g_limit_flaps_up=-3.000000
negative_g_limit_flaps_down=-2.000000

[Reference Speeds]
flaps_up_stall_speed = 112.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
full_flaps_stall_speed = 80.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
cruise_speed = 459.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
max_mach = 0.85
max_indicated_speed = 350 //Red line (KIAS)

[autopilot]
autopilot_available=1
flight_director_available=1
default_vertical_speed=1800
autothrottle_available=1
autothrottle_arming_required=1
autothrottle_max_rpm = 95
autothrottle_takeoff_ga=1
pitch_takeoff_ga = 8;
max_pitch=10.0
max_pitch_acceleration=1.0
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.0
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.5
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.0
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.0
max_bank=25.0
max_bank_acceleration=1.8
max_bank_velocity=3.00
max_throttle_rate=0.10
nav_proportional_control=12.00
nav_integrator_control=0.25
nav_derivative_control=0.00
nav_integrator_boundary=2.50
nav_derivative_boundary=0.00
gs_proportional_control=25.0
gs_integrator_control=0.53
gs_derivative_control=0.00
gs_integrator_boundary=0.70
gs_derivative_boundary=0.00
yaw_damper_gain = 1.0

[forcefeedback]
stick_shaker_magnitude=5000 ; 0 - 10000
stick_shaker_direction=0 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
stick_shaker_period=111111 ; in microseconds
gear_bump_nose_magnitude=3000 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_nose_direction=18000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_nose_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
gear_bump_left_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_left_direction=9000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_left_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
gear_bump_right_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000
gear_bump_right_direction=27000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
gear_bump_right_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
ground_bumps_magnitude1=1300 ; 0 - 10000
ground_bumps_angle1=08900 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
ground_bumps_intercept1=3.0
ground_bumps_slope1=0.20
ground_bumps_magnitude2=200 ; 0 - 10000
ground_bumps_angle2=09100 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
ground_bumps_intercept2=1.075
ground_bumps_slope2=0.035
crash_magnitude1=10000 ; 0 - 10000
crash_direction1=01000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
crash_magnitude2=10000 ; 0 - 10000
crash_direction2=9000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
crash_period2=75000 ; in microseconds
crash_duration2=2500000 ; in microseconds

[stall_warning]
type=2
stick_shaker=0

[brakes]
toe_brakes_scale=0.750
parking_brake=1
auto_brakes=4

[Flaps.0]
type= 1
span-outboard= 0.300
extending-time= 12.000
system_type= 0
damaging-speed= 250.000
blowout-speed= 300.000
lift_scalar= 0.399
drag_scalar= 1.250
pitch_scalar= 0.500
flaps-position.0= 0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1= 2.000, 0.000
flaps-position.2= 8.000, 0.000
flaps-position.3= 16.000, 0.000
flaps-position.4= 25.000, 0.000
flaps-position.5= 35.000, 0.000

[Flaps.1]
type= 1
span-outboard= 0.300
extending-time= 12.000
system_type= 0
damaging-speed= 250.000
blowout-speed= 300.000
lift_scalar= 0.399
drag_scalar= 1.250
pitch_scalar= 0.500
flaps-position.0= 0.000, 0.000
flaps-position.1= 2.000, 0.000
flaps-position.2= 8.000, 0.000
flaps-position.3= 16.000, 0.000
flaps-position.4= 25.000, 0.000
flaps-position.5= 35.000, 0.000


[pitot_static]
pitot_heat=1.000000
[vacuum_system]
max_pressure=5.150000
vacuum_type=2
electric_backup_pressure=0.000000
engine_map=0,0,0,0
[pneumatic_system]
max_pressure=18.000000
bleed_air_scalar=1.000000
[deice_system]
structural_deice_type=0

no one knows what to tweak ???
is there a tool for it, or a good website that can give me a hand with that ??
thx

Not that I know.

Maybe Google/Bing could help?

Start by editing/testing these three parameters:

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar=0.915
parasite_drag_scalar=1.00
induced_drag_scalar=1.00

One at a time, try halving the values, then doubling them. One or a combination of these should do it usually.

Also, confirm w real pilots of this a/c type what cargo/pax load with what fuel load will give the desired performance numbers, as payload weight and fuel weight have huge effects on performance.

Edit:
for takeoff speed, try using a little flaps and some trim. If that's still not doing it look to wing area, span and efficiency. If still not doing it, examine the location of the tail elevator in the cfg, it may be incorrect. Also be aware that takeoff speed and distance are drastically affected at mx takeoff weight.

ah thx man for your help!
I'll try this tonight!

I'm always doing Medevac in the Province of Qc, so for the payload and fuel I always have the half of what it can take at max TO, so weight is not a problem. For thake off I tried all flaps setting, with trim in all way possible, but I can't get it off before MINIMUM 120kt... wich is way more than the real. In real life, we are operating on runways that have more than 4000', cause it's sure that we are landing if the runway is dry or a little wet. Usually, with 9800lbs of fuel, it takes 3300ft for take off.... but I can't under 7000-8000 ft.......

Thx for your help.
I'll report back to see if it works

The reason i said double is that is the maximum value the sim accepts. A compromise may need to be reached that gives you the performance but still gives realistic drag feel.

A few other values to try are the turbine inlet area size, the fuselage crossection area (drag).

Again, for the problems you describe, try all my solutions in that order.

sry if it took so long to get an answer...
ok so I changed parasite_drag_scalar=1.00 AND induced_drag_scalar=1.00 to 0.50 both, and it seems to work. Can climb to over Fl400 and over mach .87 wich in both case are to much, so I'll fine tune between 0.50 and 1.00.
Thx for that

I'll tried this afternoon to change settings for the Take off speeds..... still takes 160kt with hafl flaps, half MTOW and full yoke to see it leave the runway.....

Try editing the "Flaps 0" and 1 sections, specifically under "lift_scalar= 0.399", and perhaps try settings of maybe 0.500, or 0.700, if that doesnt work, try 0.200...