Just like RB3d on the German site.

Exactly. There has been some gripping about RB3D being released again when, GOSH, you can download it for FREE!!!!.

My point is that it was NEVER legally free and as with most "abandonware" people are pushing the outside of the legal envelope.

I, for one, am very glad to see Mad Otter take a renewed interest in the sim. I find the DRM in ROF both offensive and unnecessary. First Eagles is OK but cannot match the campaign of RB. OFF3, well, just won't run on my rig and I can't afford the necessary upgrades. I have a Voodoo3 based system that runs RB3D + Hell's Angels just fine.

At some point, ftp.sierra.de had a public link to the RB2 german version, which could then be patched to obtain the english RB3D through various steps.

Red Baron(I) was downloadable as a promo for RBII .. it sat on the Sierra.com ftp sites until Activition_Blizzard shout Sierra down

I might speak to the sites I know of that have it available .. one in particular is probably the most popular, and are friends, however I own the WebRing and have a resoncibility to ask members to remove such material .. I was already uncomfortable about it.

I think the GOG Pack may well bring 100s of new players to the community. Maybe a couple of 1000 will download .. GOG is a popular site and I think anything Damon gets to either re-issue RBII/3D with improvements, expansion and a modern graphics API, or to build a new RB title completely is a positive thing

For those that don't know .. Damon has *found* the Red Baron II source code, and other than the 3D Glide (which is a seperate "module"), fight model changes and the MMP setup. there is virtually no difference between RBII and RB3D

In fact, the RBII code he has still has the troops and guage bullet damage effects removed for framerate rate reasons in RB3D

many plane slots could be added . quite a bit could be done to expand the game .. probably AI gunners in MP .. the planned Zeppelin added in ..

Hey, it's Flybert!



Very cool on them getting the source code! Indeed, if they had the 3D code they'd probably strip much of it out. Seems to me it would be easier to simply write OpenGL code from RBII than to have to work translations.

Dart,

Just backing up Laser here, RBII was legally available a couple of years ago at the German Sierra site! Of course I downloaded it a couple of times. So not all of the copies out there are illegal.

Regards,
Mark.

Has anyone dl'd RB from GOG and actually tried it? I don't see any replies regarding it's performance, just speculation. I'm not adept at searches so maybe I missed the info? Regards, Gopp

The question is "has the code been cleaned up so it will run natively on WinXp-Win7 32bit and 64bit"

So that if I download it and install it once more. I can just run the exe and it'll work on my Win7 64bit

For those that don't know .. Damon has *found* the Red Baron II source code

Well, on their web site they give Flybert the credit for finding it!

Thanks to “Flybert”, a member of the loyal Red Baron fan base, Mad Otter Games has acquired the source code for Red Baron II. That said, we are still searching for the Red Baron 3D and original Red Baron code.
If you have any leads, please continue to email us through our contact page or post on the forums!

Red Baron 2 code is the main one, like Flybert says RB2 and RB3D are essentially the same game. RB3D having some graphics upgrades and maybe another patch or two is the only difference. I can actually run RB3D with the RB2 disc in the CD drive and see the movies, cut scenes, and everything just as well as if I had the RB3D disc in there. To keep from scratching it I save the actual RB3D disc for installation only and use the RB2 disc to play the game. I picked up the RB2 disc years ago when I saw it for sale for cheap in a jewel case. Got it home and saw it was a Valueline product and wasn't upgradeable to RB3D. That is when I broke down and paid full price for RB3D in the big box with the manual and quick reference card for KB layout.

The manual is fantastic! It explains every aspect of the sim and answers any question about flying the sim or using the controls you could possibly have. The book over 100 pages long, well written, complete, and accurate.

Maybe with the RB2 code in hand, we will see some sort of resurrection of the old sim from Damon & Co.

Some have no problem running RB3D on Win 7 64. For me personally it was a troubleshooting headache getting it to run on my Win 7 64 rig. When I finally did get it running the game ran too fast on my modern hardware to be playable. This is with the game patched up with the ( relatively ) graphic intense Hells Angles mod. I was hoping that HA would be demanding enough to slow the game down, but it wasn't. I have a i7 quad core and 6Gb of RAM.