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#2877121 - 10/10/09 07:13 AM
My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
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I'm enjoying this. Very much, as a matter of fact. I see that a lot of people aren't. Magnum said it's about 70% for and 30% against. "What's there not to like," I'm thinking, as someone who thinks it's a good one. So, looking at it in an unbiased way, I think I understand the problem. It has more to do with developer hype than anything that may be wrong, or thought to be wrong, with the game. Goes for them all, I suppose. I hadn't read much, so I really didn't know what to expect. I really didn't even think it would run well on my system when I saw the screenshots, so that was a big plus for me. It runs great. Trouble is, that the devs were out there making this sound as though this was some groundbreaking new shooter the likes of which has never been seen before. And that's what a lot of people were expecting and didn't get. There are things that it doesn't do, that others do and that alone keeps it from being a groundbreaking game. If you're going to tell people that you are serving filet mignon for dinner, you can't put a sirloin in front of them. It may be a terrific sirloin, but you promised filet mignon!! I like a good top sirloin steak, so I'm enjoying this. I'm a flight simmer so I don't have as much experience as most of you do with shooters, so that helps me, too. I'm not comparing it to anything. I know these gaming companies are supposed to sell their projects, so they, naturally , have to tell you they're the best game, yet. I think that if you jump into these games with that in mind, you can enjoy them a lot more. Expect a top sirloin so that you won't be disappointed. And if there happens to be some filet mixed in there, then that's just a plus.
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#2877139 - 10/10/09 07:40 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: Pooch]
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Registered: 08/29/09
Posts: 29
Loc: Tennessee,USA
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Nice post Pooch...........I had the smoothest install for a game in a long time. All went well.
Getting about 54 FPS so far without any tweaking yet. Looks good and sounds good.
I agree this game is good, but not earth shattering like it was hyped. Its a solid game, maybe a real good Co-Op but limited numbers is kind of a bummer.
Also disappointed with lack of TrackIR support. Or chosing loadouts.
The Command Comm seems a little cleaner than the "other' games. I like it because its similar to RS6:V style. I am willing to give it time and effort.
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#2877142 - 10/10/09 07:44 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: Pooch]
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Registered: 01/27/03
Posts: 22217
Loc: Naples, Florida
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Well thou it is made for co-op and co-op is good... my biggest beef and a SP campaign gamer ruiner is the stupid stupid AI... you tell them to move behind a sand bag and they stand in front of it... you tell your saw gunner to suppress a machine gun nest and he stands upright next to me, out in the open and never fires a shot, you tell your other 2 members to flank right or assault and they crawl or move slow doing it, getting themselves killed, a proper flank is that suppressive fire keeps the enemies heads low while the flankers run like hell, to get in a good flank.
I'm on mission 5 or 6 in the campaign, and the campaign is great... but the AI are STUPID... sure sometimes you see them do it right or properly engage but not all the time.
co-op is where this game is at... and with only 11 campaign missions, and 6 stand alone missions... replay value will DIE in 30 to 45 days.
Codemasters better get off their asses, fixes some things and release some extras otherwise this game will just be another closet memory.
I'm getting bored already.
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#2877144 - 10/10/09 07:45 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: Magnum]
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Lifer
Registered: 01/27/03
Posts: 22217
Loc: Naples, Florida
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unfortunitly... OFP DR don't work well with FRAPS, so I can't share video footage for the people who will say... "Your just not playing it right".
(Maybe they did that on purpose too. lol)
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#2877174 - 10/10/09 08:25 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: Magnum]
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Registered: 04/17/06
Posts: 3380
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I think much of the gaming community is becoming saturated with what they've already played before (been there done that), and the expectations of greater experiences to come.
I can hardly read a forum or published review today where there aren't comparisons looking back to past games/sims. This is proof positive of how our views and expectations work, example.....it's not like ARMA II in this regards, it's like a Delta Force but improved, etc.. Every new title has to shake off the "coat-tails" effect of coming after some other previous game. The thing is, if we are still playing a game/sim after a year or two, it's probably because we've become comfortable with it, and with all its warts and limitations too.
Now comes along a new title that we haven't reach any degree of acceptance for, it's new afterall, and even a bit raw in build and familiarity.
Advance a few years from now, and we'll be reading the same type of comparisons and reviews again.....it's not like Dragon Rising.
I think Dragon Rising will probably become a pretty successful title, because it brings a new battlefield tactical shooter to the console platforms. Many console players are going to love DR because its type of gameplay is new to them, because they aren't drawing comparisons to prior shooters they've become comfortable with, and will end up enjoying this new game for the game experiences it provides them. I'm sure there will be a number of PC gamers who will enjoy Dragon Rising also.
So in a year's time or so, after all the patches, and new content, and new features to Dragon Rising, no doubt there's going to be another shooter that comes along, and these expectations and comparisons will start all over again.......
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#2877176 - 10/10/09 08:33 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: FlyRetired]
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Beat the Kobayashi Maru
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Registered: 04/04/08
Posts: 6566
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Agreed, IL2 Birds of Prey gets the same treatment. Excellent game but "it's not like _____" "that game had ____ and it's not here!" It gets old. When a new game comes out many people turn into game developers, programmers and critics all rolled into one. I guess nitpicking is seen as making one an authority figure. Not many seem to look at a game as a whole to see how good it is, and they miss out for the joy of complaining rather than gaming.
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#2877179 - 10/10/09 08:38 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: Pooch]
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You made me hungry with all that talk of steak  . After trying it to see it worked on my pc even though my cpu is lower than the minimum, and it works perfectly by the way, i have been out and bought it today. I really like it. Its like ghost recon on a large map to me, not as good as arma2 but in its own right very good. And if that comment from one of the devs holds true they are to release new content soon... Looking forward to coop!
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#2877190 - 10/10/09 08:52 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: MaceUK33]
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Registered: 04/17/06
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Its like ghost recon on a large map to me, not as good as arma2 but in its own right very good. LOL Mace, you're now Exhibit A, but it's all good!  If people aren't willing to try new things, I guess they're waiting for luck to find them? Not many seem to look at a game as a whole to see how good it is, and they miss out for the joy of complaining rather than gaming. I'd rather make a well-intentioned mistake on a game purchase, rather than to miss out on the chance of some good fun.
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#2877279 - 10/10/09 10:47 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: Magnum]
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Registered: 08/10/00
Posts: 1678
Loc: Vancouver BC Canada
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Couple Of letters for ya Mags, Can you say DLC? I knew ya could.  Well thou it is made for co-op and co-op is good... my biggest beef and a SP campaign gamer ruiner is the stupid stupid AI... you tell them to move behind a sand bag and they stand in front of it... you tell your saw gunner to suppress a machine gun nest and he stands upright next to me, out in the open and never fires a shot, you tell your other 2 members to flank right or assault and they crawl or move slow doing it, getting themselves killed, a proper flank is that suppressive fire keeps the enemies heads low while the flankers run like hell, to get in a good flank.
I'm on mission 5 or 6 in the campaign, and the campaign is great... but the AI are STUPID... sure sometimes you see them do it right or properly engage but not all the time.
co-op is where this game is at... and with only 11 campaign missions, and 6 stand alone missions... replay value will DIE in 30 to 45 days.
Codemasters better get off their asses, fixes some things and release some extras otherwise this game will just be another closet memory.
I'm getting bored already.
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#2877312 - 10/10/09 11:45 AM
Re: My Thoughts On This, And Games In General
[Re: Hunedog]
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Land & Armor Combat Editor XBL: Magnum SimHQ
Lifer
Registered: 01/27/03
Posts: 22217
Loc: Naples, Florida
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Yep... I can say DLC... can you say "more money"...
Will be great if the DLC is free, but I highly doubt it... and I think 400 or 800 M$ points will be a bunch of BS for 6 missions or so... IMO, they need to either release missions free or at least have a quick mission editor in that DLC.
and no DLC content is going to fix stupid AI, or game killing bugs and/or game play decisions... that will be called a patch... will we pay for that too?
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