From the Mad Otter Games website:

"We are pleased to be partnered with GOG.com in bringing back the Red Baron series. With three of the otters being part of the original project, Red Baron is very near and dear to our hearts, and we hope you enjoy playing this timeless classic. Get Red Baron I, Red Baron: Mission Builder, and Red Baron 3D all for $9.99; DRM-free and XP/Vista compatible."

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/red_baron_pack

I wonder if it comes with a Glide wrapper.

If you take a close look at the planes and terrain, it is no!!!
Just a cheap way to make $$$!!!! But interesting is the adobe files in the mission builder version. Its containing a lot of info regarding WW1 aviation and history, if they included them.

You realize the wrappers are free, right? It is very very simple and quick to download files on the internet. Here is a link to the latest dgVoodoo excellent wrapper:

http://dege.freeweb.hu/

Question: What does this do to all the "free" versions floating around the internet?

He's referring to the Glide wrappers I mentioned, not the sim, Colonel!

RB3D used Glide for 3D acceleration, which of course went the way of the Voodoo Card Dodo Bird. Call it a betamax moment for the developers when they selected it instead of OpenGL.

The problem is that for a fully XP/Vista compatable version I'd think that they should have included a wrapper to convert the Glide stuff to OpenGL. One of the reasons RB3D isn't on my hard drive right now is the seeming inability for me as a person to get any of them to work or, shortly after getting it to work finding out that somehow I've corrupted my drivers and now the only thing that does play on my computer without crash is RB3D!

But I'm glad to see old girl back on the market.

Dart, did you check this?

http://www.wingsofhonour.com/redbaron3d/...ooglideemulator

Even if you knew dgvoodoo wrapper before, this one is improved (the beta2). It is based on DX9, it works with new graphic cards, and that version is specially tuned for no-graphic-corruption in RB3D, which means it can use more video ram so it's fast.

No. I meant the "free" versions of RB3D floating around the internet.

Oh, you mean the pirated copies of RB3D.

Unsavory, to say the least.

No, RB1 was released free to the internet a while back...

Just like RB3d on the German site.

Exactly. There has been some gripping about RB3D being released again when, GOSH, you can download it for FREE!!!!.

My point is that it was NEVER legally free and as with most "abandonware" people are pushing the outside of the legal envelope.

I, for one, am very glad to see Mad Otter take a renewed interest in the sim. I find the DRM in ROF both offensive and unnecessary. First Eagles is OK but cannot match the campaign of RB. OFF3, well, just won't run on my rig and I can't afford the necessary upgrades. I have a Voodoo3 based system that runs RB3D + Hell's Angels just fine.

At some point, ftp.sierra.de had a public link to the RB2 german version, which could then be patched to obtain the english RB3D through various steps.

Red Baron(I) was downloadable as a promo for RBII .. it sat on the Sierra.com ftp sites until Activition_Blizzard shout Sierra down

I might speak to the sites I know of that have it available .. one in particular is probably the most popular, and are friends, however I own the WebRing and have a resoncibility to ask members to remove such material .. I was already uncomfortable about it.

I think the GOG Pack may well bring 100s of new players to the community. Maybe a couple of 1000 will download .. GOG is a popular site and I think anything Damon gets to either re-issue RBII/3D with improvements, expansion and a modern graphics API, or to build a new RB title completely is a positive thing

For those that don't know .. Damon has *found* the Red Baron II source code, and other than the 3D Glide (which is a seperate "module"), fight model changes and the MMP setup. there is virtually no difference between RBII and RB3D

In fact, the RBII code he has still has the troops and guage bullet damage effects removed for framerate rate reasons in RB3D

many plane slots could be added . quite a bit could be done to expand the game .. probably AI gunners in MP .. the planned Zeppelin added in ..

Hey, it's Flybert!



Very cool on them getting the source code! Indeed, if they had the 3D code they'd probably strip much of it out. Seems to me it would be easier to simply write OpenGL code from RBII than to have to work translations.