Hi,

Hey Matt, thanks again for the wonderful OFF musical theme - whatever you got for this it was not enough :-)


The thing is - as i see it - with this kind of DRM, pay per use and forced online crap the software industry is declaring war to its customers. There are probably enough of the usual young idiots who will buy anything as long as it is hip or you can show off to your friends/neighbour with it. Think of Playstation, the most recent mobile phones and so on.
Older people think twice before buying anything, and those are - unfortunately, for the software industry (but not only) - usually those who have more money.

So it is generally the question - IF the industry turns towards this DRM and online way should i support it and help them? I am already guilty with RoF because i like flight sims and the choice is not really a big one when it comes to early flying. I think FSX's flight model is a lot worse than that of OFF - but then there will be no flight sim from MS at all for a longer time or so it seems ..

You can bet i will never ever buy a M$ Office package that is only available online - make that Quark express, CAD programs whatever. And, like Laser said, when i hear people saying at the local RoF forum how they like this DRM and online requirement ... this is so obvious B$ and at the same time embarrassing - also for NeoQb.
In the new reports it seems Neoqb is on the brink of turning completely to online gaming, and sinking single gameplay and campaign. I hope this is not true.

Greetings,
Catfish

That's not communism, that's wild capitalism.
I'm 44 years old, I live in a small country in Europe, Portugal. I've lived under a dictatorship and live now in a democracy with two parlements. But what I see in this last years, was a silent coup d'etat done by bankers and by big enterprises. They're,as usual, corrupting power in order to approve legislation for reducing and controlling our rights.
That's in the name of greed.
You're statement is pure truth, and a sign of what a future world we will have.

Sorry for the off-topic.

Yep, and some of you might not like Michael Moore, but go see his latest film on capitalism and how it has been twisted into exploitation. It's an eye opener. watch the trailer `Capitalism: A Love Story'

And it's curious that you a person that don't own OFF (and from it appears don't plan to) comes here to BASH a personal oppinion of someone that OWNS BOTH sims (OFF and RoF)! If that isn't being a RoF fanboy, well I don't know what it is? Maybe you're a RoF FANATIC instead!!
I won't go here comparing OFF with RoF mainly because I don't have RoF and sincerelly I don't plan to buy RoF either simply and only because of that online check thing everytime you want to play RoF even in Single player, which is simply ridiculous! And to me because of that "online check" in RoF, OFF is already much superior than RoF.
Yes, like many said there's a place for those sims (OFF and RoF) and many others installed in a PC BUT to me a GAME that has a system which forces you to connect to the internet everytime you want to play even for offline/single player play it simply means a NO-BUY for me!

Well saying "magically created new expert user" implies there's some kind of super secret plot, a slur against OFF perhaps? Anyway as a "magically created user" I enjoy ROF in multiplayer and do not want to see it fail. We want people to realise there is more than 1 sim is all, nothing more. To say you won't buy OFF because of types of people doesn't sound reasonable either but hey each to his own.

Personally as a big fan of WW1 air combat I'd be NUTS not to buy RoF, OFF and First Eagles, and oddly I did buy them all.

Oh yes, i was bashing 'someone's' opinion - a specially created new account of 'someone's' who owns both RoF and OFF, is already an expert in this, and spreads lies in his first posts. That's what i saw already many times in this forum and in the RoF one. And that is what i am reacting. And i read the old OFF forums and the general praise only atmosphere was too dominant. Like everyone playing at violin to show visitors how good that stuff is. I am not saying new things here, but of course you see only what you want to see.

And if you'd follow my posts at ROF forums, i am one of those strongly against the 'online-only' protection scheme. But i can't care less about what you think of me.

Again, what i see on RoF forums, coming from OFF, are people trying to bash RoF and to vehemently announce that 'there is another good sim' which is OFF and why people don't see that. Yes, you are on a mission.

Laser,

First, can you proof that matmilne guy is someone who created an account just on purpose to bash RoF here in the OFF forum? You will excuse me but this "smells me" like paranoia from your part!

Secondly, everyone as the right to be disapointed with a game (no matter what game is!!). Judging from the size of 8 pages of this topic (and not only this topic) it seems there's a BUNCH of people which bought RoF and are VERY disapointed with it! For instance if I had bought RoF and knowing what I know now about RoF, that:
- It makes an online check everytime you play, even while playing in single player.
- It doesn't have a campaign
- It has a very limited set of flyable airplanes (4, is that correct?)
- We have to pay for EVERY new aircraft in order to complete this uncomplete sim with it's limited set of flyable airplanes.
I would be EXTREMELLY pissed of with this game (RoF) and I would have had the EXACT same oppinion as that matmilne guy (and NOT only)!

Thirdly, I'm "glad" that I haven't bought RoF but as opposed to you, I don't plan to buy RoF NOT because of some fanatics oppinions (BTW, I'm willing to bet that there are MUCH MORE RoF fanatics than OFF fanatics!!) but because of the RoF gameplay features or the lack of them to be more precise.

Finally, I still wonder what a guy like you that doesn't have OFF, doesn't plan to buy OFF and apparently isn't interested in OFF either, does posting here?? Speaking of "hidden agendas", it seems to me that you're probably the (only) one here that has a hidden agenda. I could be wrong, but this is my oppinion...


P.S- I don't follow your posts at ROF forums since I don't have or plan to buy RoF so there's no point for me to go to the RoF forum (and specially posting there).

Because i saw this before. For the rest, i don't care what you smell.

Usually it's only praise and not much complaint, because there isn't much thing to complain but to praise. There are no concerted posts or threads as far as I know.
Some people just sees conspiracies in each corner. For some Neil Armstrong was not even on the Moon. But it's like you said people only see what want to see and think what want to think.

Best regards

thanks catfish

everybody smells of something, that's a widely believed fact.

should the developers of rof, and rof purchasers not have told anybody there was a new ww1 flight game around? so telling people that there are other games out there is fine, especially in a thread for people who've bought rof and are specifically looking for something else to replace it.
the early reviews of rof back in september 08, spelled out the various problems and issues that have unfolded. i like to think of it as a valuable reminder to customers to learn to read between the lines. that's why i posted in this specific thread, to remind those who were dissapointed in rof, that the writing was on the wall long before they purchased it, and not to be too dissapointed as there are plenty of other games out there.

there are two main problems for online drm: the short tenure of game companies, and server instabilities, with a tertiary flaw that the longer a person is online the greater the risk of computer infection. i called the switch from dvd to blue ray a year earlier than it was announced, i will state clearly now that always-online drm will start be replaced with something else. probably in about 3-5 years. it is just possible that holographic encryption will return as it can be easily shipped with the product and form a physical encryption that's difficult to copy without proper manufacturing equipment, but don't call me on that. In any event and either way, i think key-code encryption will be with us for a very long time, both for online and offline games as one of the cheapest to implement systems available to all developers big and small.

So catfish, not supporting a company just because of their method of copy protection doesn't matter too much as always-online systems will eventually be replaced in the future anyway. there are plenty of other more vital reasons, not to purchase the products of some companies, and that decision is up to the individual customer.

and yes, i also think there is an alarming mixture of communism and capitalism. modern companies seem to have borrowed elements from both contrasting systems. sometimes leading to record sales, followed by a messy collapse. it's hard to tell where that'll go, the world seems in limbo at the moment.