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#2871594 - 10/02/09 04:29 AM Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything
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#2871716 - 10/02/09 07:08 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: bones]
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I disagree 100% that his death didn't mean anything. And that's all I'm going to say about this.
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#2871723 - 10/02/09 07:12 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: 20mm]
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I'm with 20mm.
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#2871724 - 10/02/09 07:14 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: oldgrognard]
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I'm with you too.

I walk talk about the anger that was welling in me.
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#2871725 - 10/02/09 07:15 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: oldgrognard]
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I contend that that description is more apt for this book.
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#2871731 - 10/02/09 07:19 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: FishTaco]
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There is nothing glamorous or romantic about war. It's mostly about random pointless death and misery. And that's what his death tells us. It reminds me that the good aren't rewarded, there's no such thing as karma.


I find that hard to disagree with, although I won't weigh in on the existence of Karma.
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#2871750 - 10/02/09 07:40 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: akdavis]
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To me, what Pat Tillman was about is doing what he thought was right. He turned down millions of dollars to do what he felt was his duty. It's about a man staying true to himself. I will respect that every day of the week.

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#2871754 - 10/02/09 07:45 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: Deceptis]
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His "death" may have been meaningless, but his service was not. People die everyday, it's expected. But it's what you do just prior to your death that has meaning. No one glorifes the death of a soldier. What they glorify is the service, what he did prior to death. Like a soldier who jumps on a grenade to save his buddies - his death was meaningless, but his act was not. The author must be a buffoon not to understand this. If this is a glimpse of his depth of understanding then maybe his book isn't worth reading.
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#2871762 - 10/02/09 07:52 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: TerribleTwo]
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The author had one sentence right:

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It speaks to the mythology of war and how we glorify it for our national interests. There is nothing glamorous or romantic about war. It's mostly about random pointless death and misery. And that's what his death tells us. It reminds me that the good aren't rewarded, there's no such thing as karma.


He is dead wrong on the rest.
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#2871765 - 10/02/09 07:53 AM Re: Book Declares that Pat Tillman's Death Didn't Mean Anything [Re: TerribleTwo]
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That picture of Pat is menacing. I certainly would not want to be on the opposition and meet him on the battlefield!

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