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#2868744 - 09/28/09 05:30 AM So, is anyone making a historical campaign?
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Just curious if something is in the works. I've seen Ming showing off some nice mission description etc. Do you have something in the works Ming? smile

The thing is I would really like to make one, but finding out all the historical facts takes sooooo much time. In fact, much more time than making the actual missions. While making my little "online mini campaign" I tried to use real pilots' names and use the correct squadrons in which they flew. for instance, I found out after an hour of searching that Jasta 65 flew near the Verdun front in June 1918. Then the pilots: Tiedje, Zempel.. Nice, we have skins for them! But who is the senior officer? Who should be leading the flight? I still don't know!

Who would like to co-operate in making an accurate historical campaign? (let's aim for 10 missions first). I think it's a bit too much work for just one guy. It would be nice to have someone to dig up historical facts, someone to write the story/briefings (native english speaker please!) and one or more mission builders and testers.

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#2868761 - 09/28/09 06:11 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Vanderstok]
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I tend to shy away from accuracy because of the research part. Also, I don't think the current planeset is complete enough to keep the encounters accurate anyway. I think the front currently represents summer of 1917 (Reims area was a bit different in 1918) and we have mostly 1918 aircraft.

I might step up to the plate and create a mission or two for a series if someone can provide me with the specifics (locations, numbers, dates, encounters, objectives and briefing). In other words, if all I have to do is make sure the mechanics of the mission work, then I'd be happy to dedicate time to it.

Gus

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#2868785 - 09/28/09 06:58 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Gustang]
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Okay, just received a job application from another mission builder wink

Now we need someone to provide the facts and the stories! smile

Yeah, it is a bit awkward that the front line is static. In some areas the front was pretty stable I guess? Again, more digging to do... Personally, I would love to do a 1917 campaign from March to October, set near the British front, but we haven't got the planes yet! So it will have to be 1918 July-October, but where?

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#2868833 - 09/28/09 08:13 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Vanderstok]
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Do you have something in the works

I did have Vanders and I created the first mission of a campaign but no one even mentioned that they'd flown the mission (Vert Galand, intro movie etc)

So I'm currently grooving and sod the lot of you, carry on Smile2

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#2868836 - 09/28/09 08:18 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Darn! I was hoping that you would be working in secret on a massive campaign, with well written prose and lots of background info, media and compex mission scenarios... frown

So I'm currently grooving and sod the lot of you

Lol, I think a lot of us feel that way! If you make a mission/campaign for IL2 it gets downloaded 500 times or more. For RoF you'd be lucky if there are 25 interested players...

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#2868840 - 09/28/09 08:21 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Vanderstok]
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Originally Posted By: Vanderstok
So it will have to be 1918 July-October, but where?


Therein lies the reason I just look for interesting terrain... and even that I have trouble deciding upon!

I like crazyeddie's Somme 1918 battlefield placements a lot, but the terrain there is fairly flat. Not that it really matters, but I'm partial to the rolling hills of Reims.

There are other areas of the Front that don't change from 1917 to 1918. Basically anything East of Tahure and North of Arras is fairly constant.

Some links that help the historic approach:

http://patriot.net/~townsend/WW1AirMap/
http://patriot.net/~townsend/WW1AirMap2/

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#2868841 - 09/28/09 08:29 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19
I did have Vanders and I created the first mission of a campaign but no one even mentioned that they'd flown the mission (Vert Galand, intro movie etc)


I fully understand that. Post a mission, see no feedback or comments. Rinse and repeat a couple times and you start wondering what you're doing wrong... I can see that they're getting use, I just have no clue by who and for how long...

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#2868916 - 09/28/09 10:13 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Gustang]
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#2868957 - 09/28/09 11:15 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda


Oooh! Cool! If you need testing help, please speak up!

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#2868984 - 09/28/09 11:59 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Gustang]
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That is nice Soda! Are these coops or single player missions?

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#2869038 - 09/28/09 01:24 PM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Vanderstok]
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thanks for testing offer Gustang.

single & multiplayer versions as applicable Vanderstok. planning to have a couple of the mission download links active by the weekend, creek don’t rise. missions use some of the probability/random sequences & concepts introduced yourself & others, mahalo to all. struggle is backtracking to get triggers working properly for the two different mission types.

hoping info on populating the data\Campaigns directory will be released soon, dynamic multiplayer maybe?


Edited by soda (09/28/09 02:06 PM)
Edit Reason: thanks to Gustang
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#2869293 - 09/28/09 09:47 PM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19
Do you have something in the works

I did have Vanders and I created the first mission of a campaign but no one even mentioned that they'd flown the mission (Vert Galand, intro movie etc)

So I'm currently grooving and sod the lot of you, carry on Smile2

Ming

I loved your mission. Vert Galand is wonderful. I am sorry you left the project.
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#2869365 - 09/29/09 01:15 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: MJMORROW]
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Vert Galand is wonderful

Thanks for your mini-review Smile2

Nobody's leaving anything MJ we haven't started yet.

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#2869376 - 09/29/09 01:56 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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I still think combining forces for an accurate historical campaign would be a good idea. I could easily set up a Google- or Yahoo group to share missions, reference material etc.

It would only work if everyone agrees on the place & perios I guess?

Originally Posted By: WH_Gustang

... Not that it really matters, but I'm partial to the rolling hills of Reims.

There are other areas of the Front that don't change from 1917 to 1918. Basically anything East of Tahure and North of Arras is fairly constant.

Some links that help the historic approach:

http://patriot.net/~townsend/WW1AirMap/
http://patriot.net/~townsend/WW1AirMap2/


That is some great info Gustang! I also like the terrain near Reims, perhaps near/east of Reims would be a good spot? I just have no clue if there was much activity there in 1918?

Another option would be around Douai. Lots of info on that part of the front I guess...

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#2869377 - 09/29/09 02:00 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Vanderstok]
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And what side ofcourse!

I also think it would be nice to have some (combat)flying training missions on a base far behind the lines...

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#2874905 - 10/07/09 08:19 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: Vanderstok]
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here's some link you might be interested in:

http://www.richthofen.com/rickenbacker/

http://www.wwiaviation.com/links.html

the first one is a book by rickenbacker where he describes several of his missions.

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#2880542 - 10/15/09 03:51 PM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: soda]
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Originally Posted By: soda


Tried the first four SP missions.

Within the limitations of the sniper AI (not your doing) they are excellent!

Aloha and mahalo from a former resident of Hawaii smile

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#2880972 - 10/16/09 08:59 AM Re: So, is anyone making a historical campaign? [Re: HotTom]
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thanks HotTom, appreciated.
i enjoy messing around with the mission editor, learn something every time.

they’re selling Primo beer again …
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