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#2835403 - 08/05/09 08:34 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD

My system.
Windows 7 Beta (also tried on Windows XP 64 on the same PC).


Windows 7 - 64 bit too?


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#2835411 - 08/05/09 08:44 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: WWBrian]  
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2005AD,

Are both your TiR and Stick plugged into the back of your PC?

I suspect one or maybe both are in an unpowered hub. Where HT's prolly' are powered.

Swap 'em around if it's convenient for ya', see if that does anything.


I have my TrakIR through a hub but even putting it directly into the PC I still get the stutters when using TrakIR with FFB enabled. I also tried removing 4GB of my RAM and removing my X-Fi soundcard, neither helped. I notice that Kankkis and I a have 64bit OS with MSFFB2, I wonder if this might be the problem. The fact that Kankkis tried with another type of FFB stick would certainly point to the MSFFB2 as the culprit.

Some good results coming out of this I think, at least we are seeing some common denominators. It would be helpful for others with FFB sticks to let us know how they are getting on.

#2835412 - 08/05/09 08:45 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD

My system.
Windows 7 Beta (also tried on Windows XP 64 on the same PC).


Windows 7 - 64 bit too?


Yes, 64bit.

#2835422 - 08/05/09 09:00 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: 2005AD]  
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My system.
Windows 7 Beta (also tried on Windows XP 64 on the same PC).


Windows 7 - 64 bit too?


Yes, 64bit.


can you try it on any 32 bit?
maybe we have preblems in 64 bit versions?


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#2835425 - 08/05/09 09:06 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
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[quote=2005AD]
My system.
Windows 7 Beta (also tried on Windows XP 64 on the same PC).


Windows 7 - 64 bit too?


Yes, 64bit.


Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
can you try it on any 32 bit?
maybe we have preblems in 64 bit versions?



I have dual boot system, XP Pro 32bit and Windows 7 64bit

both have exactly the same track ir stuttering with ffb on with my sidewinder2, so it seems to be a incompatability with the sw2 ffb!!

Also tried v4 and v5 track ir drivers on both os's

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#2835428 - 08/05/09 09:13 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: Grale]  
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Wait - stuttering or ingame FPS drop?
Cause it can be the same FPS but only Track ir stutters when moving it around?

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#2835432 - 08/05/09 09:16 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
Wait - stuttering or ingame FPS drop?
Cause it can be the same FPS but only Track ir stutters when moving it around?


Sorry the track ir is stuttering when moving around, this is resolved when i disable ffb in the game setttings.

FPS are rock solid around 60+ when track ir is stuttering, the game itself runs smooth as silk..

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#2835440 - 08/05/09 09:35 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: Grale]  
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I can confirm it is NOT an FPS issues as I previously thought. My FPS is staying constant, it is purely a stutter/lag when using the TrakIR with FFB enabled.

Note: Pan mode using the keyboard works without stuttering at all times.

Note: With FFB disabled and TrakIR on there is no stuttering.

Note: With FFB enabled and TrakIR enabled there is stuttering when using TrakIR to move your POV.

#2835526 - 08/06/09 12:17 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: 2005AD]  
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I have a dual boot of Win XP Pro (32) and Win 7 (64) and in testing I found that while RoF ran nearly as well in Win 7 as in XP, TrackIR panning was very choppy *only* when running Win 7 (64). The fps will drop only 1-2 frames, it's not about fps, the stutter makes the sim look like the fps are low, even though they are not. Pausing the TrackIR makes the sim smooth despite the fact that TrackIR is still running.

I'm using TrackIR 3Pro + Vector with the TrackIR4 software, but I do not have any FFB hardware.

I have not tested the latest versions of RoF in Win 7, but will do that as soon as I can to see if the ForceFeedback checkbox makes a difference for me. In my XP install I have no obvious problems from enabling the ForceFeedback checkbox.



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#2835676 - 08/06/09 06:48 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: TX-EcoDragon]  
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I use a Logitech strike force 3d with trackir 4 with no issues. But then again, I just built myself pretty much the ultimate system for ROF

core i7 at 3.8 ghz
gtx 285
1600 mhz 6 gig ram
intel x25 34 nm SSD <----AWESOME game load times
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Vista 64

I'm guessing those old old old MS FF joystick drivers aren't optimized for today's OS'es and games...

#2835686 - 08/06/09 07:30 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: BuddyWoof]  
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Originally Posted By: BuddyWoof
I use a Logitech strike force 3d with trackir 4 with no issues. But then again, I just built myself pretty much the ultimate system for ROF

core i7 at 3.8 ghz
gtx 285
1600 mhz 6 gig ram
intel x25 34 nm SSD <----AWESOME game load times
X-fi gamer
Vista 64

I'm guessing those old old old MS FF joystick drivers aren't optimized for today's OS'es and games...
That is an excellent system BuddyWoof, I am sure RoF flies great with it, enjoy smile

The information we have so far seems to point to the possibility that 64Bit OS with MSFFB2 could be the root cause. Your experience helps to confirm this problem, thanks for the input.

Every other game with FFB effects runs great without FPS hit with my MSFFB2. I have previously tried other FFB sticks and none of them come close the quality and feel of the MSFFB2. It is for this very reason that I paid 50 for a spare one that is just sitting in my cupboard as a backup just in case!


#2835693 - 08/06/09 07:50 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: 2005AD]  
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Ive just tested it (put AC on 8km alt and lowered all game settings to lowest and ffb on/off) - and looks like we have a problem.
Its almost inviible but when moving head with high amplitude - it feels reaally stuttery.
We gotta check what we can do here.


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#2835697 - 08/06/09 08:20 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: 2005AD
The information we have so far seems to point to the possibility that 64Bit OS with MSFFB2 could be the root cause. Your experience helps to confirm this problem, thanks for the input.


Thats not right as i have dual boot xp 32 bit and win 7 64 bit and the stuttering is exactly the same on both os's

#2835704 - 08/06/09 08:44 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: Grale]  
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I have an MS FF2 stick and with XP and FF on, no issues with TrackIR 5 and the beta software.

I did find though, that the shimmering issue almost goes away with older drivers.
I went all the way back to 181.22 and the shimmering is almost gone with same settings I had with the 190s.
Also, I changed the target exe to rof.exe in nvidia cp and made a new shortcut for it on the desktop, as opposed to the old shortcut and the rof_updater.exe.

almost no shimmering...gonna start updating the drivers to newer versions for better fps, and will jsut stay away from the 190s as something is broken in them.

anyone recommend drivers with no shimmering?


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#2835720 - 08/06/09 10:49 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: =FB=VikS]  
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Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
Ive just tested it (put AC on 8km alt and lowered all game settings to lowest and ffb on/off) - and looks like we have a problem.
Its almost inviible but when moving head with high amplitude - it feels reaally stuttery.
We gotta check what we can do here.


Nice VikS,

That was nice to hear you seen it, i hope that is fixable.

Kankkis

#2835722 - 08/06/09 10:55 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: Broadside_Uda_Barn]  
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I have an MS FF2 stick and with XP and FF on, no issues with TrackIR 5 and the beta software.


that stuttering is not really bad, it's annoying, have you tried without FF, i mean it's the same without FF, i you haven't tested without, test it it's maybe better.

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#2835729 - 08/06/09 11:30 AM Re: FPS killers [Re: Kankkis]  
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Although i dont have Trackir i thought i would post my observations on this subject.

I am running FFB2 stick with my x52 and works fine, but i have tested with ffb on and off and it seems to me that when using the mouse pinky on the throttle to look around i get noticeable stuttering with it on, but when using the hat it is still nice and smooth.


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#2835961 - 08/06/09 05:43 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: Grale]  
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The information we have so far seems to point to the possibility that 64Bit OS with MSFFB2 could be the root cause. Your experience helps to confirm this problem, thanks for the input.


Thats not right as i have dual boot xp 32 bit and win 7 64 bit and the stuttering is exactly the same on both os's


Ooops, sorry Grale, I stupidly read your post incorrectly. I stand corrected.

#2836047 - 08/06/09 08:20 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: 2005AD]  
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Originally Posted By: Grale
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The information we have so far seems to point to the possibility that 64Bit OS with MSFFB2 could be the root cause. Your experience helps to confirm this problem, thanks for the input.


Thats not right as i have dual boot xp 32 bit and win 7 64 bit and the stuttering is exactly the same on both os's


Ooops, sorry Grale, I stupidly read your post incorrectly. I stand corrected.


I didn't mean to pull you up on that mate, i was at work and typing fast before the boss came in WinkNGrin

Sorry if i came across a bit blunt there..

#2838968 - 08/11/09 01:57 PM Re: FPS killers [Re: Grale]  
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I am running Vista 32 bit HP with SP1. I have an i7 EE975 and 6 GB of RAM. My video card is a Radeon 4870 X2. I get very good frame rates at all times. However, if I activate FFB with my SWFFB2 the TrackIR 5 becomes very choppy even though my FPS stay well above 50. When I turn off FFB my TrackIR is perfect. Sorry, I posted this note separately before I came across this excellent string. I hope the developers have read it as well. I really hope they fix this, because I absolutely love the sickening feeling when the stick goes limp during a stall!

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