[quote=Tree I agree Chivas, I wonder if parts of what would of been SOW ended up as BOP, the terrain detail was very similar to what was seen on the DVD that came with IL2FB.
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I agree the terrain detail was very much like the terrain detail we seen in early [and only] SOW WIP shots, and its similiarity was the first thing that jumped out at me. Although I think Maddox terrain will be more detailed than BOP terrain especially in low level flight. The PC can be more powerfull than a console and the PC owner can easily upgraded and use more terrain options. Of course both teams have a very good terrain artists doing the same terrain so it should be very similiar.

Personally I wouldn't have a problem if Oleg were a partner in the BOP's development. Especially if it makes Maddox games money and access to new sim tech ideas he could use in SOW. On the down side I ain't getting any younger and starting to loose my youthfull zeal for sims.

Either way Maddox games doesn't answer to us. I'm a huge fan of the Maddox team and have enjoyed their sim since the early Beta test days. The players and modders owe him a dept of gratitude otherwise we'd still be flying and modding the CFS series.

Someone should start an online "pot" for SOW. If 1C gets SOW out the door before 2012, 1C wins the pot. If not, everyone keeps their money. We could do it on the honor system and track the total pledged.

Maybe you could gauge interest..of course I think anyone and everyone who is into flight sims is interested in seeing SOW come out.

Kind of appropriate given that flight sims trying to make money with the current game business model tend to be money losers.

Sounds like a good idea, if we had all done this in 2004 the interest on the savings would have been such that we could of built a real spitfire.

But I'd lobby for a Hurricane.

no way!...109E please

Hurricane!

Ha, you got banned there now!

Yep Im banned, funny isn't it. Oddly enough I didn't break any of the forum rules, It was a personal ban from one of the mods, but to be honest it is difficult for the mods trying to defend Oleg's honour, and he dont help them much when he makes statemnets that he constantly fails to keep, or by not even logging in to his own forum for months. Some at 1c forum dont want to hear this though, they are happy with the lack of updates, news and BS and dont want to question why it is happening. Each to there own I suppose. However there are alot of folk out here who are a little bit tired of all BS we have had about SOW from 2007 onwards, sure we can wait another 2 years or whatever it takes, all we want is a little bit of truth for once.

You could be right Tree about possible deception. Personally I think its more a matter of a myriad of technical and business difficulties with hope expressed by Oleg that things were going to go smoother. In my experience most complex projects hardly ever meet deadlines unless the developer has deep pockets, strong problem solving, and a large quality work force.

I dont think there is any deception per-se Chivas, I just question why statements are made with absoloutly no follow up. Obviously there are going to be set backs there must have been many since the project started in 2004, but the man has said himself that the game is 80% finished (June). Even a dedicated SOW forum would be a great leap forward instead of lost teasers and utter silence. On a seperate note I was reading an article today where Oleg said he was planning to do paid add on's like ROF, maybe this will be a good thing for the longevity of the sim and future patches and projects.