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#2574182 - 08/24/08 04:36 PM setting up FSX tutorial (updated 04-21-12)
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over the years a lot of people have asked me to help to configure FSX , so here is a link for a setting up FSX tutorial I wrote



http://www.lockonfiles.com/index.php/topic/37448-setting-up-fsx


Edited by Tom_Weiss (05/19/12 09:02 AM)
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#2574254 - 08/24/08 06:46 PM Re: More FSX tweaks [Re: Tom_Weiss]
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Hey Thomas, thanks for the heads up..but I've been away from FSX for a while. Which file do these go in?

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#2574299 - 08/24/08 08:28 PM Re: More FSX tweaks [Re: Whitehead]
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In MS EXPLORER (only work in MS Explorer)

Type:


%APPDATA%/Microsoft/Fsx

edit with NOTEPAD

Fsx.CFG

if you don't find the entry , simply add them

\:\)
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#2574593 - 08/25/08 11:36 AM Re: More FSX tweaks [Re: Tom_Weiss]
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 Code:
[SCENERY]
SmallPartRejectRadius=2
FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=0.5


The first one might be harmful in terms of displaying autogen, the latter one should only be used on single core CPUs.


All the other tweaks are good and valid.


Note: Maximum values for trees and buildings is 6000 each. I run those without any performance hit.
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#2664771 - 02/02/09 06:15 AM Better FSX performance
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Anyone know how to improve the performance of FSX without losing too much graphic quality please? I have the Service pack installed
I have a

Intel Core 2
6400 @ 2.13GHz
2GB Ram
Nvida Gforce 7600GT
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#2664783 - 02/02/09 06:33 AM Re: Better FSX performance [Re: Stratos]
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Hello,
since flying with Tileproxy, the performance has been kicked up quite a lot!

Of course a the vegetation and many buildings get lost, but that's okay for me go get a photorealistic satellite terrain with a much better performance.

But if you internet connection speed is too low, so that the loading of the terrain is not fast enough (i'm using DSL 16.000 kbps, which works ok), or prefer the original FSx terrain from other reasons, you might also look here:
http://www.flightsimworld.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92413

Or just google "fsx autogen"

FSX is definitely CPU-limited. It makes practically no difference in performance between flying with my GeForce 7950 GT or my GTX 260.


Edited by Falcon99 (02/02/09 06:39 AM)

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#2664791 - 02/02/09 07:02 AM Re: Better FSX performance [Re: Falcon99]
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I tried TileProxy and my connection is not good enough 6mg, will try your other options. Thank's
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#2664947 - 02/02/09 11:02 AM Re: Better FSX performance [Re: Stratos]
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#2665115 - 02/02/09 03:43 PM Re: Better FSX performance [Re: Heretic]
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From extensive experimentation over the last week or two, I would say that the two key things to do are:

- Turn off Traffic, Boats and Airport Traffic. You can leave AI aircraft active, but get rid of the ground vehicles> I know it's nice to have them, but they are a HUGE hit on your frame-rates (10-15 FPS on my i7 system). Note: Having the sliders at 1% seems to cause exactly the same hit as having them at 100%.

- Turn off Light Bloom. It's a pretty effect, but it has a big, big effect on the FPS.

With those two tweaks, I'm running at a pretty consistent 30 FPS with every other slider set to full (including Autogen and Scenery). With FEX, GEX and UTX, the world looks pretty damn sweet.
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#2674173 - 02/16/09 07:31 PM Re: Better FSX performance [Re: Pizzicato]
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Can someone recommend settings for my rig?

Intel Dual Core 6600 @ 2.6Ghz
XP SP2
FSX + Accelleration Pack + SP2
Nvidia 9800GTX+
2GB RAM
Widescreen 1680x1050 monitor (might at a 4:3 monitor as a second monitor, frame hit for that? Just for gauges, maps, etc).


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#2683968 - 03/03/09 08:29 AM Re: Better FSX performance [Re: PositiveG]
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Originally Posted By:        +G     
Can someone recommend settings for my rig?

Intel Dual Core 6600 @ 2.6Ghz
XP SP2
FSX + Accelleration Pack + SP2
Nvidia 9800GTX+
2GB RAM
Widescreen 1680x1050 monitor (might at a 4:3 monitor as a second monitor, frame hit for that? Just for gauges, maps, etc).


You should have no issues running FSX in your monitor's native resolution. I would set everything on max, disable AA and bloom. Pull detail radius down to half (center) and set both autogen sliders to sparse.

FSX is indeed CPU-limited. I went from XP, GF-8800GTX, 2GB RAM and C2D E6700 (2.6GHz) to Vista x64, GF-8800GTX, 6GB RAM and i7 920 (2.6GHz).
Not only am I getting 2-3 times higher framerate, but the jerky uneven framerate normally seen with high autogen settings are gone (with DX10 enabled).
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#2758880 - 04/04/08 07:58 AM Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links]
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In short, FSX is a true performance hog, so the rule of thumb is "the better (faster) hardware you have, the better it will run".
But!
The best hardware won't get you the most satisfying results if the operating system is chocking on junk and falsely configured drivers.

This is why I've decided to share this collection of very helpful tips with you. All of them are from Nick Needham, a kind of guru when it comes to understanding the way FSX works. I am a tweaking guy myself, especially ever since FSX arrived on my hard disk. I've tried many, many tweaks before, but none worked as well as Nick's.



Preparations:




Now for the real deal:

1) Windows tweaking

Read the posts by NickN carefully (print them out if you need to) and do exactly what he suggests. Don't worry if you don't have a "Prefetch" folder in your Windows XP directory. I've encountered that problem with XP SP3RC2 and I'll post a fix below.
-> http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1208959973 <-



2) Tweaking FSX on the FSX.cfg level


Values to play around with are listed here (Note: For "AffinityMask=" use either "1 = 1 core 3 = 2 cores 7 = 3 cores 15 = 4 cores", depending on the number of cores your CPU has):
-> http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197380641/1#1 <-
(Scroll down until you reach "Here is a list of the ONLY areas one may wish to work with")


And that's basically all for the basic tweaking. Now for some special things...




Okay, so you're done now. What's left to say?

Keep your eyes off the frakking frame rate counter!

FSX is all about smoothness!


You have your FSX running perfectly if it is a smooth as possible at the best graphics possible for your system!
Finding that "sweet spot" (or G-Spot \:D ) is a thing that can take a while. Feel free to adjust the sliders in FSX as well as some of the values in the fsx.cfg until you reach the perfect compromise between looks and smoothness.

A word on those "resized performace textures":
Don't use them. They are against the "maximum looks with maximum performance" philosophy. ;\)
Low-end systems (and some mid-ends) may be the exception.

Also, feel free to browse around in the threads I've linked to. They might contain more information that could prove useful to you.


Thanks for paying attention, happy flights and again thanks to NickN for his time to write all those things down.

If you have questions concerning tweaking FSX, post them here.


Edited by Heretic (10/10/08 01:50 PM)
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#2758881 - 04/04/08 10:58 PM Re: Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links] [Re: Heretic]
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#2758882 - 04/05/08 09:25 AM Re: Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links] [Re: Rick.50cal]
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Thanks, Rick! \:\)
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#2758883 - 10/10/08 01:51 PM Re: Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links] [Re: Heretic]
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Just fixed the links in the initial post.
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#2832478 - 08/01/09 11:08 AM Performance guide?
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I recall reading about how to tune FSX but now I cant find it. Can anyone please post a link?

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#2832492 - 08/01/09 11:26 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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#2832546 - 08/01/09 12:47 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Stormtrooper]
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Those guides are outdated. Is there something more recent?

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#2832945 - 08/02/09 07:27 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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The only tweak guide you really need:
http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041

Continually updated and covers about everything I've seen mentioned as a tweak. It gives you the facts about some of the tweak myths as well.

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#2832975 - 08/02/09 09:03 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: FAC257]
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Originally Posted By: FAC257
The only tweak guide you really need:
http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041

Continually updated and covers about everything I've seen mentioned as a tweak. It gives you the facts about some of the tweak myths as well.

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Outstanding! Thanks a lot.

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#2833082 - 08/02/09 12:46 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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Looks better than the one he posted at Simviation.
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#2833093 - 08/02/09 01:05 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Heretic]
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Originally Posted By: Heretic
Looks better than the one he posted at Simviation.


So basically it's the same info you linked to, just all in one post?

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#2833121 - 08/02/09 01:50 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Stormtrooper]
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I used that guide and game still having major performance issues... frame rate is all over place and there is severe lag spikes.

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#2833224 - 08/02/09 04:37 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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I used it (again, after several years), and it worked superbly - again. Much smoother performance, increased fps. The bonus is that using his nHancer settings has improved graphics performance and appearance of a few other sims. And solved a significant previously insoluble problem with the new ArmA 2: tnear distance trees and shrubs were uniformly a sickly whitish grey regardless of nVidia card and in game settings. The FSX settings for nHancer corrected this problem - and improved frame rates.
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#2833239 - 08/02/09 05:02 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Eugene]
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It is basically the same info but all in one spot. I used to have the multiple links in my Favs folder also until this one link panned out to be the best one stop shop.

Sim
It might help zero in on some help, if you'd post your system specs.
FWIW Mine is a very first generation purpose built FSX machine that is for the most part all 2+ year old hardware. By using the tweaks from that post I have no complaints about how FSX performs or looks on this aging system. smile

E6700
Asus Striker Extreme 680I
BFG 8800GTSOC
GeForce 190.38
X-Fi Extreme Gamer
2GB Corsair 6400C4D
Saitek X52
Windows 7

FAC



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#2833398 - 08/02/09 09:51 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: FAC257]
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If you're offering.

I have
i7 920
6gigs of ddr3
280gtx
running on Win7

Game is running at 1080p rez

Basic install of FSX following by SP1 and then SP2. Modified fsx.cfg as per guide. Some of options / lines were missing so I manually copied / pasted into my config required additions.

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#2833471 - 08/03/09 12:12 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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How many add-ons do you have? Which add-ons? If you fly, for example, Vancouver+ you will get a huge framerate hit. Or Aerosoft's F-16. Other add-ons as well. Or if you have a lot of different add-ons in your folders.
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#2833564 - 08/03/09 07:04 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Legend]
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It's a base install. I have nothing extra installed. I'm trying to fly around Columbus AFB.

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#2833705 - 08/03/09 10:34 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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Originally Posted By: Stormtrooper
So basically it's the same info you linked to, just all in one post?


Yep. A quick glimpse also revealed some new extra info.
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#2835841 - 08/06/09 10:58 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Heretic]
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Just in case someone still feels like helping me out.

Code:
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#2836093 - 08/06/09 06:01 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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Just looking at your .cfg, the two things I would try to play with first would be that FPS locked limit your using. If you already haven't tried it, use a setting around 30-32 and see if that changes anything. Then try the FPS lock at "Unlimited". There was a point in time where higher than neccesary locked FPS rates were creating big fluctuations in FPS rate. FSX should look great and fly smoothly in the 30-32 range and at least worth a test try.

The other setting I would experiment with is the Bufferpool entry. I would take that out completely while trying the FPS lock tests.

You've got a lot of power in that system and just have to find the bottle neck.

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#2836789 - 08/07/09 04:50 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: FAC257]
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Thank you for the reply. I removed bufferpool entree and changed fps to unlimited. Game still experiences studder. FPS would show 70+ and then change to 50 - 20 - 60- 50 - 20 while game experiences light freezes. That is when I'm on a runway just trying to take off in none populated area.

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#2838491 - 08/10/09 04:18 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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Is there anything else I can do?

I turned off light bloom, advanced animation Directx10. No AA.

No traffic

Special details - low


what else can I do to remove micro-stutter?

My system is more than enough to run thing thing...

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#2838544 - 08/10/09 05:48 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Sim]
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I know this isn't much help at this point, but with that hardware you listed you shouldn't be having to turn all those features off or to lower settings to eliminate stuttering. Specially if you didn't see any improvement after you changed all that.

Earlier when we you were playing with the FPS settings you mentioned trying it at "Unlimited". Have you tried locking it down around the 25-30 FPS mark to see what happens.

FSX performance is almost completely determined by your CPU strength and it's thru put. Given the power of that system of yours it may come down to trying to figure out which of the components aren't in tune with each other.

IMO The bottom line is that if your having to turn down all the settings inside FSX and still can't fly smoothly then that would lead me to start thinking that one or more pieces of your hardware are either not in sync or not quite set up correctly. There might be a simple mhz bottle neck somewhere.

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#2847515 - 08/24/09 11:49 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: FAC257]
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Stickied since there are a lot of valuable info in this thread.

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#2947674 - 01/26/10 06:09 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Stormtrooper]
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Hi,

Interesting link about performances in FSX ....

http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=30796

Found on the HJG forum ....

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#2949294 - 01/29/10 07:07 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Weird_Crapolla]
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Yo Gus,
that link was excellent! thumbsup

Do you know if there is one like it for FS9?

I like FSX, but it just wont run or look as well as FS9
on my machine.
(Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: MSI
System Model: MS-6741
BIOS: Version 07.00T
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+, MMX, 3DNow, ~1.8GHz
Memory: 2032MB RAM
Page File: 306MB used, 3617MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode)

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#2949313 - 01/29/10 08:07 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: AngleOff]
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Hi,

This can help

http://www.flightsimworld.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28865

It's also a very good guide by NickN .. (was at simviation) but not able to find it anymore ... frown

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#2949483 - 01/29/10 12:10 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: AngleOff]
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Originally Posted By: AngleOff
I like FSX, but it just wont run or look as well as FS9
on my machine.


I'm surprised it runs at all on that stone age PC.
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#2949515 - 01/29/10 12:57 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Heretic]
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Hi,

Quote:
'm surprised it runs at all on that stone age PC.


Well ... FSX MUST run on this caveman PC .. as :

Quote:
Minimum System Requirements

* Windows XP SP2 / Windows Vista
* Processor: 1.0 Ghz
* RAM: Windows XP SP2 - 256MB, Windows Vista – 512MB
* Hard Drive: 14GB
* Video Card: 32MB DirectX 9 compatible
* Other: DX9 hardware compatibility and audio board with speakers and/or headphones
* Online/Multiplayer Requirements: 56.6 kbps or better for online play


http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulatorX/product_info.html

If it was not running .. A.O had the possibility for sue Microsoft smile

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#2949661 - 01/29/10 04:22 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Weird_Crapolla]
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Originally Posted By: Weird_Crapolla


Well,

If it was not running .. A.O had the possibility for sue Microsoft smile

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LOL!
Yo WC, well, I have enough room to load it up again......but I digress......
Nothing wrong with FSX.....just prefer FS9.....I'm old like that.....
just trying to tweak it smooth again. After re-formatting this computer,
I had to start over again. Lost alot of great add-on planes, and alot of
the files are gone from Avsim..........
Gonna take me a minute to read thru this stuff....alot of trial and error.... popcorn
Thanks WC,
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#2986605 - 03/31/10 08:15 AM Re: Performance guide? [Re: Weird_Crapolla]
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Originally Posted By: Weird_Crapolla
Hi,

Interesting link about performances in FSX ....

http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=30796

Found on the HJG forum ....

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This guide has been disputed among serious FSX simmers so I would disregard it.

Stay with Nick's.

Also, have a look here...

http://forums1.avsim.net/index.php?showtopic=279784

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#3005709 - 05/03/10 01:31 PM Re: Performance guide? [Re: FAC257]
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#3263917 - 04/08/11 09:33 AM New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations.
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So I just spent a little while tweaking FSK to run well on my system. There are a TON of guides out there for tweaking FSX but none of them seem up to date. Basically 90% of the info in them was not applicable to my machine. I thought I'd post what my setup is as it may help someone with a modern machine trying to set this thing up smile

My rig:

i7 950 overclocked to 4.0GHz
ATI HD5850 GPU
eyefinity running 5760x1080
Win 7 64bit
FSX Deluxe SP2

I attached my config. Here's the items that made big changes to my frame rates. Every setting affected it a little but these had MASSIVE impact on my frame rate. Unless otherwise stated my settings as those recommended in the online guides.

Settings - Display - Graphics
=============================
DX10 - Absolutely terrible. Graphics flicker, disappear at random and otherwise look terrible. 20fps penalty. It's off.
Light Bloom - Can't tell much of a visual difference but it cost 10+ fps. It's off.
Set anti-aliasing to bilinear and do not select the anti-aliasing box. Force AA in the driver. This gained me 7fps over checking it in-sim.

Settings - Display - Aircraft
=============================
This setting was interesting. I set all three exterior settings to "on" with no frame rate penalty at all. AND it looks great with the self-shadowing! Most online guides say to turn this off. I didn't need to.

Settings - Display - Scenery
============================
The "terrain and water" section was interesting. Basically I can max out all of these settings with zero fps penalty. So that's what I obviously do. Scenery Objects is where it gets interesting.

Ground scenery shadows doesn't affect frames but it looks terrible, flickering, artifacts etc.

Scenery Complexity. This was a BIG one for frame rates. Each click on the slider cost 10fps. Moving this slider made a huge difference. I settled on very dense as dense looked a little sparse for me and extremely dense didn't seem to add much. However, I can immediately boost my fps by 10 just by turning this down to dense.

Autogen density. Surprisingly this didn't seem to be too expensive at all. Maybe 2-3 fps difference per slider position. I set this to very dense also.

Settings - Display - Weather
============================
This was a weird one. Setting cloud detail to detailed instead of simple actually GAINED 5fps. Very strange but I'll take it!


Settings - Display - Traffic
============================
THIS IS THE BIG ONE

CARS. Turn OFF Those stupid little cars absolutely kill the sim. Kill it. As an example I could make my frame rate go from 75fps to 15 fps just by changing the number of cars displayed by 50%. Turn those little blighters off and you'll be glad you did.

Aircraft labels. Most guides talk about this causing problems but I have zero frame rate penalty using them.

Airport vehicle density. This is quite a hit on frame rates. I set to Low, Medium cost 10fps.

Airline Traffic Density. This really impacts frame rates but not as much as cars. I have Ultimate Traffic and can set this to 50% airline, 100% general and the frame rates are great. This gives LOADS of planes and not much impact on frames unless you are flying over a major airport when it can go down to 20fps.

FSX.CFG
=======
Couple of VERY interesting things here. #1 hyperthreading doesn't help with frame rates at all. I have hyperthreading turned off on my gaming rig. Turning it on did nothing for frame rates

AffinityMask. This was a big one! For a quad-core setting to 15 (1111) means "use all cores" and 14 (1110) means "use three cores" leaving one free. On my system setting this to 14 was a big improvement over 15. Way less stuttering and the sim ran much smoother. Leaving one core available is highly recommended instead of using all four.

TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=800 This tweak limits the number of trees created on "dense" "very dense" etc. It raised by average frame rate by 7fps.

So remember, I'm NO expert on this just wanted to share my findings and what worked for me and what didn't on a modern machine running eyefinity. Hope this help someone new to get started.

My config: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14465749/fsx.CFG


Edited by maclean525 (04/08/11 10:07 PM)

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#3263921 - 04/08/11 09:37 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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I just mentioned this in another thread but worth repeating.

I found this tool worked brilliantly
http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.html
but you have to follow the instructions exactly and there is a conf file that is not in the FSX folder which is the one that gets modified so you have to know where it is.

When used in conjunction with the frame limiter app it transformed FSX for me.

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#3263926 - 04/08/11 09:41 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: NineLives]
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Yup, I did use that as my baseline setting. If you look at my fsx.cfg you'll see it was actually generated from that tool smile Thank you for the recommendation on that!

However, my frame rates went from about 15 (over atlanta downtown) using that tool to more than triple with the changes I listed here.

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#3264163 - 04/08/11 01:43 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Adding this line in your terrain section should help a little as well, especially when using high autogen settings:

TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=800

It basically limit the number of trees without limiting the number of building. Made a good difference on my setup as with Very Dense/Dense, there was way too many tress displayed.

This fixed my issue.

This also made a godd difference on my end: Do not use the in-game anti-aliasing/anisotropic filtering settings, use your drivers instead, and try bilinear/16 bit mode in FSX. This gave me another 5-6 fps without changing ANYTHING to the image quality.

May or may not work well on your end, but worth a try.

You'll also notice that the aircraft/region you fly in will greatly influence the framerate as well.
On my Phenom X4 4.0ghz, I get an ultra smooth experience when flying a simple Aerosoft BeaverX in the rockies... but things are a bit difference when flying the Superbug in the KSEA area with ORBX isntalled. Not a slideshow, still very flyable, but a bit more stuttering.


Cheers!


Edited by iam73 (04/08/11 01:47 PM)

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#3264636 - 04/08/11 10:04 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Nice one iam73!!!! That made a HUGE difference. Thank you. Both of these entries boosted my fps by 7 in my test area. I am updating my original post to include these. Thanks again!!!

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#3264839 - 04/09/11 07:06 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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I have not turned my cars off to be honest. Yes they do affect frames but I like the effect they give when flying at around 1-2,000 feet. I leave them and the boats at around 15-20% which gives a realistic effect without hitting frames.

On another point I have the weather slider set to maximum but always use the 'download real weather updates' and I find this gives amazing sky and cloud effects without any performance issues. I have no desire to install any third party weather as I am really pleased with the FSX version. I love watching the sky and clouds slowly change as I fly and the cloud/sky models are very realistic.

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#3265055 - 04/09/11 11:53 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: iam73]
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Originally Posted By: iam73
TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=800


This can be cranked up allllllllll the way to 6000, if one wants.


Edited by Heretic (04/09/11 11:53 AM)
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#3265150 - 04/09/11 01:45 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: Heretic]
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Originally Posted By: Heretic
Originally Posted By: iam73
TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=800


This can be cranked up allllllllll the way to 6000, if one wants.


FSX Defaults is 4500 and it puts wayyyy too many trees on the grounds as far as I'm concerned, so although 6000 works, it must transform rural areas into amazon-like forest wink

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#3265155 - 04/09/11 01:49 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Thanks for the advice MacClean. Some good tips, but I have to disagree with you about DX10. Checking DX10 yields far superior results FOR ME. My frame rate is DOUBLED with DX10. Literally. Same graphics settings under both DX9 and DX10 yields superior graphics detail and clarity and frame rates TWICE as high. Everything looks and plays better with DX10. And I select trilinear and anti-aliasing in-game. Everything is beautiful and smooth at 19 x 12 x 32. It's not even close between DX9 and DX10. Also, I no longer have any runway flickering (the only place I had any flickering at all) since I installed REX2 and REX Overdrive. Those programs must've done something to eliminate it. I didn't expect it, but that's been the result. And REX2/Overdrive are amazing enhancements! DX10 is the only way to go.


Edited by Plainsman (04/09/11 01:54 PM)
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#3265369 - 04/09/11 06:12 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: Plainsman]
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Originally Posted By: Plainsman
Same graphics settings under both DX9 and DX10 yields superior graphics detail and clarity and frame rates TWICE as high. Everything looks and plays better with DX10.


I wonder if DX10 only works for NVidia cards? I have an ATI 5850.

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#3265554 - 04/09/11 11:00 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Originally Posted By: maclean525
Originally Posted By: Plainsman
Same graphics settings under both DX9 and DX10 yields superior graphics detail and clarity and frame rates TWICE as high. Everything looks and plays better with DX10.


I wonder if DX10 only works for NVidia cards? I have an ATI 5850.


That's a good question. Some are reporting Il2 Cliffs of Dover seems to yield better results with ATI cards, although I don't own that sim, so I don't have first-hand experience. I do know I get significantly better frame rates with NASCAR Racing 2003 Season with Nvidia than with an equivalent ATI card. I know because I've tried it with both. The DX10 question at least with FSX might be a similar situation. Some games run noticeably with one technology vs. the other. It's too bad. I wish there was more consistency. But I find DX9 virtually unacceptable for FSX after trying it with DX10 preview checked. I can't go back. The difference is that significant.


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#3265747 - 04/10/11 05:04 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Both ATI and Nvidia both support DX and OpenGL equally but somes older cards won't support the latest version of DX (ie 10 & 11) which is more hardware dependent. However, historically Nvidia have always been associated more with OpenGL and ATI more with DX although these days differences in performance is more down to how a games code suits a particular card and driver etc.

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#3266335 - 04/10/11 07:11 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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I just bought FSX Gold today. It runs pretty terrible unless i turn stuff down and then it doesnt look very good anymore.
I can play FS9 maxed so im really disappointed.
I guess its back to FS9...and a loss of 30 bucks.

My specs
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
6gb Ram
Intel Core i7 Q 740 @ 1.73GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M 1gig

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#3266690 - 04/11/11 07:30 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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It's because your computer isn't a games computer. Things have moved on a lot since FS9.

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#3266818 - 04/11/11 10:32 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: NineLives]
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Originally Posted By: NineLives
It's because your computer isn't a games computer. Things have moved on a lot since FS9.


Well, ill admit its not a purpose built gaming pc, it is a Sony Vaio laptop.
But its from last year and it runs most games ive played on it on high settings smoothly. So its definitely not lacking.
It just seems like to me that FSX needed more time of development to optimize it more. I mean for god sakes the game came out in 2006! Just rushed programming. IMO.
Any game from that era runs just fine on this. IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 for instance. Its rather graphically pretty in my opinion and that runs completely maxed with 60+ fps.

Sorry if it sounds like im venting. Im just rather frustrated.


Edited by Erzeal (04/11/11 10:34 AM)

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#3266842 - 04/11/11 11:18 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Yep I can understand your frustration and Cliffs Of Dover is having the same problems FSX had when it came out.

FSX has had 2 patches and lots of tweaks guides and with the latest hardware it's now running well. But you do still need a fast pc to get it running properly.

I have an average pc with a Intel Quad core @ 2.8GHz, 4 GB RAM and an 8800GT and with the tweaks I now have it runing very nicely on a 1080P 32" tv. But I well remember when I first installed FSX it both looked at ran horribly.

But to be honest I don't think you will do any good with it on your laptop sadly.

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#3267472 - 04/11/11 11:33 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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I've used the online tweaker mentioned at the start of this topic and fair dinkum it has reduced load times by more than 66% on my i5/Win7.32/4g/Radeon 5770 system.

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#3267855 - 04/12/11 11:26 AM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Use DX10 if you like 2xFSAA and poor anisotropic filtering.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm using DX9 with 8xMSAA / 16x Anisotropic filtering + ENB Series and it looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the DX10 mode... which never even made it to beta stage by the way... was still alpha when FSX dev was totally dropped.

For what its worth, there's no FPS improvement to be seen with my ATI 6850.

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#3267955 - 04/12/11 01:30 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: iam73]
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Originally Posted By: iam73
Use DX10 if you like 2xFSAA and poor anisotropic filtering. As far as I'm concerned, I'm using DX9 with 8xMSAA / 16x Anisotropic filtering + ENB Series and it looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the DX10 mode.


"ENB Series" Tell me more!?

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#3267982 - 04/12/11 02:09 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: iam73]
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Originally Posted By: iam73
Use DX10 if you like 2xFSAA and poor anisotropic filtering.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm using DX9 with 8xMSAA / 16x Anisotropic filtering + ENB Series and it looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the DX10 mode... which never even made it to beta stage by the way... was still alpha when FSX dev was totally dropped.

For what its worth, there's no FPS improvement to be seen with my ATI 6850.


Sorry, but you are incorrect. I can turn up FSAA and anistropic as high as I want. No DX9 setting can match high graphics settings in DX10. That's just a fact. If you have an Nvidia card. If you have no FPS improvement with DX10 over DX9, then the fault lies with your ATI card. Get rid of it. Get Nvidia. My framerates literally DOUBLE with my Nvidia card. It's a simple test. Keep all graphics settings the same. Keep the same plane, airport, time of day. Change nothing. Just reboot from DX9 to DX10 and back again. 20 FPS in DX9 goes to 40 in DX10. Switch back to DX9 and frames are cut approximately in half again. Real easy and IRREFUTABLE test. DX10 also looks waaaaaaaaaaay better.


You're getting cheated. I've seen articles on the Net that show no significant advantage in frame rates with an ATI card. I think FSX is optimized for Nvidia. Some games are like that. Some games give are optimzed for ATI cards. FSX isn't one of them. Neither is NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. I tried it with comparable cards from ATI and Nvidia and couldn't believe the difference.

Be comforted in the knowledge that your ATI card has advantages in some other games.


Edited by Plainsman (04/12/11 02:12 PM)
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#3268153 - 04/12/11 05:07 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Plainsman, what drivers are you using ?
We both run the same cards and my experiences of DX10 are a bit different to yours.

I don't get any noticeable FPS improvement in DX10 over DX9.
Also I've never been able to get FSAA to work athrough nHancer, only through FSX which is 2x.
And the biggie for me is that VSync doesn't work. Does VSync work for you ? I use TrackIR so I cant live without VSync.

Also there's the flickering runways & missing follow me arrows.

So the only things I gain with DX10 are the nicer water that I don't have set high enough to see to keep the FPS up and the cockpit shadows which are usually so basic or jaggie that I'd rather not have them.
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#3268271 - 04/12/11 07:27 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: Mark Aisthorpe]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Aisthorpe
Plainsman, what drivers are you using ?
We both run the same cards and my experiences of DX10 are a bit different to yours.

I don't get any noticeable FPS improvement in DX10 over DX9.
Also I've never been able to get FSAA to work athrough nHancer, only through FSX which is 2x.
And the biggie for me is that VSync doesn't work. Does VSync work for you ? I use TrackIR so I cant live without VSync.

Also there's the flickering runways & missing follow me arrows.

So the only things I gain with DX10 are the nicer water that I don't have set high enough to see to keep the FPS up and the cockpit shadows which are usually so basic or jaggie that I'd rather not have them.


My drivers start with 266, so I'm assuming it's the latest? I'm running at 1920 x 1200 x 32 rez, 16;10. I,too, had some runway flickering with DX10. Then I bought and installed REX2 and downloaded and installed the free REX Overdrive. REX lets you select your airport runway textures, clouds, skies, enhances lighting, and water. You can alter some or all of those things. YOu can select environment "themes." There is only a slight hit to FPS. The bonus discovery is that with REX2 the runway flickering is gone. I didn't expect that. I'll check, but as far as I know, I don't use VSync. Do you have your target frame rate in-game set to "unlimited?" or did you pick a number? I have mine set at unlimited.

I read somewhere that at low to moderate settings, you won't see a framerate increase between DX9 and DX10. But at high to very high settings you will. I snipped the following from a commment at another site:

"As Phil Taylor has rightfully pointed out in the comments section of the video, with bloom enabled and water on 2.X High people should see similar or higher framerates than with lower settings." I followed this advice. I have bloom enabled, water pushed all the way to the right as far as it will go. The funny thing is, on my PC, FSX with DX10 preview checked runs faster at 1920 x 1200 than it did at 1386 x 960. Go figure. I took this advice, turned it up and it's true. At that resolution, 2x AA is all you need to eliminate the last of the jaggies. I'm not a techie, so I don't mind taking advice from others.

Here's some forum posts from another site talking about the framerate issue. I"m not the only one: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=133237

HEre's a quote from someone on Avsim: "On my system, FSX is about 30% faster in DX10 than it is on DX9 keeping all other settings equal. I'm in the process of benchmarking this in a more sophisticated way than just comparing an FPS here and there. Speed (as recently demonstrated with the ATI Catalyst drivers) is largely a function of the driver more so than the raw hardware. True, hardware is limiting, but a bad driver can truly make rendering speed terrible."

But another poster on Avsim disagreed: "I think you need to qualify this statement a bit. Like maybe on "your system" or exactly what your settings are that are allowing a 30% performance increase.

Using my exact settings under DX10 Preview from DX9 on my system(with bloom off), I can have as much as a 50% performance decrease under DX10 depending on area (30FPS DX9 to 15FPS DX10) just not acceptable. The only bonus is that Light Bloom can be enabled under DX10 Preview and it seems to have little to no effect on FPS."


It seems some are getting no boost in framerates between DX9 and DX10, fewer are getting better frames in DX9, more are getting better frames in DX10. And the variation in the boost in frames if DX10 seems to range from 10% to as much as 100%. I'm getting the 100% increase, fortunately. And the runway flickering is gone (because of REX 2).

FSX has some many sliders for so many options, it's hard to say why I'm getting a 100% boost over DX9. Like I said, I'm not a techie. I haven't tweaked anything because I wouldn't know how. My sliders must be set (accidentally) at just the right positions.



Edited by Plainsman (04/12/11 07:34 PM)
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#3268362 - 04/12/11 10:25 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Originally Posted By: maclean525

"ENB Series" Tell me more!?


It's a HDR mod addon originally made for GTA but one build works with FSX:

http://www.enb.fstube.org/node/2

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#3268370 - 04/12/11 10:38 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: Plainsman]
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Originally Posted By: Plainsman

Sorry, but you are incorrect. I can turn up FSAA and anistropic as high as I want.


Well, maybe NVIDIA renders the DX10 PREVIEW mode better, that would make sens as it was halfway developped and maybe ACE were developing on the NVIDIA platform, who knows... it wouldn't be the first mention of NVIDIA handling FSX better anyways

BUT no, you can't crank up FSAA/FSAF as high as you want in DX10 and that's also a fact. DX10 forces the in-game FSAA/FSAF and will override ANYTHING you set out of FSX... quoting Phil Taylor on this:

Quote:

With the introduction of DX10, these settings are only able to be set within the sim. Using nVidia's Control Panel to manage 3D or nHancer will provide nothing further in the way of anti aliasing or anisotropic filtering.

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#3468427 - 12/05/11 03:04 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Btw guys, how can i change the initial FOV and make the virtual cockpit a default view? I always hate to be in an external view or anywhere lese but not the VC. And the FOV is always too small. The cockpit and view angly is always off.
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#3528760 - 02/29/12 12:25 PM Re: New guy setting up FSX, interesting observations. [Re: maclean525]
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Dont like Microsoft at all.

They took the apha fade out of FSX now we get loads of s****y pop ups no matter how good our gear is, then they stopped supporting FSX.

The miserable sods did the same sort of thing to the Links golf community by removing fog and career mode after initially having them in the game, then they also stopped supporting that as well.

They can whistle for any money from me.


Edited by LeazesNDR (02/29/12 12:26 PM)

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#3588889 - 06/09/12 10:46 AM Re: Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links] [Re: Heretic]
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yea Im getting over 60 to 100 on my rig FPS, all though it's a CPU more run SIM.

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#3672963 - 10/31/12 01:52 PM Re: Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links] [Re: Heretic]
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#3673217 - 10/31/12 10:32 PM Re: Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links] [Re: Heretic]
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This looks good, thanks Weird_Crapolla!
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#3686036 - 11/21/12 08:41 AM Re: Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links] [Re: Heretic]
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This was posted on AVSim today... apparently Windows 7 "parks" cores that it thinks it won't need in multi-core CPUs to save power. Unpark them to give a nice boost to FSX.

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/391820-how-i-gained-15-fps-and-ultra-smooth-performance-fsx-windows-7/

Didn't try myself yet but it seems interesting enough to do. Best of all, it's free wink
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#3686256 - 11/21/12 02:57 PM Re: Maximum performance and the best looks for FSX! [Tweaks & Links] [Re: Heretic]
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To be fair a lot of that has already been mentioned on here apart from the core unlock thingy. I have been using the Bojote tweak tool for ages now and it's a 'must do' for FSX users.
http://www.venetubo.com/fsx.html

He probably noticed most of his improvement from that alone. SP2 was supposed to have modified FSX to use all cores anyway.

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