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#2711990 - 04/22/09 12:51 AM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
HitchHikingFlatlander Offline
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Loc: California
Well first off thanks to everyone who gave me great advice and then sorry for taking so long to give a progress report! I finished (more or less) re-wiring the Logitech into a control box with 4 DPDT momentary toggles and seven mom. pushbuttons. So far I haven't re-wired the pots and probably won't. When I was building it I had a tough time figuring out what the old pots were and now its together I havent felt like taking it apart!

Well heres what the switch looks like half way thru and in its current state. I have to apologize once more because during the build process I didn't have a camera (I do now)!




Right now I use it with LOMAC for flaps/airbrake/engine start&stop and various other useful commands. So far has worked great and proved really helpful.

Now fastforward to now, I recently purchased a Saitek Aviator cheap and was initially inspired by Hannibals cool use of its parts. But then I finally got my copy of black shark and thought well helos do have collective controls dont they? So I'm in the process of finishing a mod to turn that controller into just that leaving the rest of the controller relatively unharmed for the moment....

Heres what it looks like underneath, honestly quite cheap but effective design.

Dual throttle

Toggles

Stick Handle before removing the spring and washer, wont be needing any spring to center.

No going back now!


So next I cut two pcs of 1/4" plexiglass and filed them to act as wedges. Though once the the spring is removed the gimbal is tight enough to hold itself in place.

Then I put the pcs in place and marked where I'll need to drill the holes.



Next thing is to drill the holes and put the pcs in place. I'll drill the holes a little bigger than the screws I use so I can have some play in setting the friction. Hoping to have it done tomorrow night!

And then theres one more, recently I picked up a couple of Shuttle Pro 2 USB controllers for video editing. It turns out that even though they're not game controllers they still act as keyboard encoders in a way. They have an SST like software where you can program the buttons and two jog wheels any way you like even with macros. It has 15 buttons and two jog wheels, one that springs back to center either way you spin the other spins infinitely in either direction.




Started to wire a 6-pos rotary switch but gotta figure out how to make it work because the buttons are the only open type so I'll get repeated key presses. If anyone knows a way to make the switch work please let me know I'd like to use it but I'm starting to think it wont work!

Hitch
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#2712476 - 04/23/09 12:18 AM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
HitchHikingFlatlander Offline
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Loc: California
OK Round Two (still round three to go though).

Tonight I set everything up and changed the plans a tad bit.
I cut a couple pcs of 1/2"x/1/2" wood and attached them to
the plexiglass rectangles I cut.
Next it was time to attach the plates to the joystick.
For good measure I added a piece of door weather stripping.
I only did one side because the idea didnt come until I was
half thru doh!



I had to sand the edges of the wood on one side because
the handle was hitting. With the weather stripping
in place it got the right amount of friction and stays
where you put it.



With that satisfactory I started re-connecting the wires
and wrapped them with heat shrink.



Got all the wires back together!



Now to put it back together!



Notice the middle button missing well its still MIA
and I'll be damned if I'll find it. So after a search
that yielded no dice I found an adhesive backed rubber
foot for electronics. I shaved it down and sanded it
to round the edges and its now a temp. button!



Well for tonight thats it tomorrow I figure a way to
mount it then its proraming and flying the Black Shark!
I purposely havent played to wait for the collective!
I'll post more pics tomorrow when I get things in place,
have to mount a pro gamer command unit also for more buttons.

So far the joystick cost me about $40 and the mod itself has
only cost a a few bucks (I had most parts on hand), an easy way to get an extra
controller.


Edited by HitchHikingFlatlander (04/23/09 12:39 AM)
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#2712940 - 04/24/09 12:19 AM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
HitchHikingFlatlander Offline
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Loc: California
OK round three!

I'll keep this one quick I mounted the AV8R to a square
plank of wood and attached it to the bottom of my throttle
using a 1/8" thick steel tie. End result is I'm not happy
with the sturdiness of the mount it wobbles and bounces
up and down (duh I knew that was gonna happen). The
solution to that is to add another support making it stronger.



And heres a suprise I found the missing button, dropped a screw
and found it when I went to pick it up!



And the new and improved pit Black Shark ready!





It looks cramped but I can get to everything pretty easily and I'm
happy with it for the moment. I want to plan a more proper collective
mod panel with the inside of the AV8R. And I got to say that I really
rushed too fast with the project I'm already noticing things I could
have done differently. But what the hell its kid with new toy syndrome!

Now I have to order some parts for my next project and learn how to fly!
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#2713158 - 04/24/09 10:47 AM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
hannibal Offline
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Registered: 02/11/08
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you will not regret your modification..

once you go collective..you CANNOT, and dont even want to go back to a throttle for flying helicopters..

nice setup..
i thought my setup was complicated..


i currently undergoing 2 projects..
1)Suncom SFS F-15 split throttle mod/upgrade (preparing for DCS-THunderbolt, OFP2, ARMA2 & BFBC2)
2) new collective project ! details soon...

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#2713167 - 04/24/09 11:15 AM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: hannibal]
HitchHikingFlatlander Offline
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Posts: 2810
Loc: California
Awesome so you were able to score a Suncom. I look forward to seeing your projects, especially the split throttle! And LOL your set up is complicated I just have spagetti wiring to deal with
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#2713427 - 04/25/09 04:17 AM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
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Nice work Hitch!!! thumbsup
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#2713451 - 04/25/09 06:07 AM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: GrizzlyT]
hannibal Offline
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so now that you have the collective...how does it feel?

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#2713714 - 04/25/09 08:24 PM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: hannibal]
HitchHikingFlatlander Offline
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Posts: 2810
Loc: California
Thanks Grizzly!

It works great the throw is pretty short so I'm already thinking of lengthening it. I really only played BS for a little bit last night and only got as far to set up the AXIS' in game for controls. Rough version is I did OK but have a lot to learn as I couldnt keep the nose down on the shark!
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#2713738 - 04/25/09 09:38 PM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: HitchHikingFlatlander]
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i hear you,, mine is a little too long, but i can always program for a short angle of deflection... the next collective i will be will be smaller..

right now its 5" (grip) + 12" (handle) = 17
im going to go for 5" grip + 6" = 11

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#2714071 - 04/26/09 06:09 PM Re: A Good Joystick to Hack? [Re: hannibal]
HitchHikingFlatlander Offline
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Registered: 09/21/06
Posts: 2810
Loc: California
I've heard a lot about trimming on the shark so I think thats the technique I need to work on. Not to mention trying to play on real settings I think I have immortal on as I havent blown myself up yet even when I should have!
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