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#2686564 - 03/06/09 10:16 PM
Drop tanks are not dropping
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Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 191
Loc: Brazil
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Canīt see my external tanks dropping in my F100.
But I have the text message of the tanks beeing dropped.
Any easy fix?
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#2686628 - 03/07/09 04:23 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: lbuchele]
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Registered: 02/09/06
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Loc: Detroit, Michigan USA
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Canīt see my external tanks dropping in my F100.
But I have the text message of the tanks beeing dropped.
Any easy fix? They are not suppose to. Those tanks were expensive and Hun pilots rarely punched em off. You might miss the tanker meet and you'll need that fuel.
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#2686631 - 03/07/09 04:31 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: 8 L.E.I.N.]
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Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 191
Loc: Brazil
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I undertood that pilots did this choice, not drooping the tanks for the reason that you said.
But probably USAF doesnīt turn off the POSSIBILITY of to jettisson the tanks.
Imagine you sitted in a pig like the hun facing enemy migs AND carrying external tanks that cannot be dropped.
"Bring those tanks home or die,officer,they are too expensive!"
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#2686643 - 03/07/09 05:14 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: lbuchele]
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Actually, it's based on what the guys accurately did in Vietnam. And yeah, they're still expensive and yeah, they still try to come home with them.
pfunk
Edited by PFunk (03/07/09 05:15 AM)
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#2686657 - 03/07/09 05:44 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: PFunk]
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Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 191
Loc: Brazil
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TRYING to bring them home doesnīt mean not to be able to jettinson them in case of emergency or to dogfight.
Sorry , but I canīt believe that USAF was so dumb in the Vietnam at the point of LOCKING a drop tank in the plane.
The fighter itself was more expensive than the drop tank don't you think?
In many occasions USAF pilots had to drop not the tanks but everything in the plane to save a damaged aircraft or even only to be able to eject in a area where they had more chances to be rescued.
This is a bug or a developer decision, but I will no accept this as "real life" thing.
Edited by lbuchele (03/07/09 05:50 AM)
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#2686800 - 03/07/09 11:27 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: lbuchele]
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Registered: 02/09/06
Posts: 881
Loc: Detroit, Michigan USA
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TRYING to bring them home doesnīt mean not to be able to jettinson them in case of emergency or to dogfight.
Sorry , but I canīt believe that USAF was so dumb in the Vietnam at the point of LOCKING a drop tank in the plane.
The fighter itself was more expensive than the drop tank don't you think?
In many occasions USAF pilots had to drop not the tanks but everything in the plane to save a damaged aircraft or even only to be able to eject in a area where they had more chances to be rescued.
This is a bug or a developer decision, but I will no accept this as "real life" thing.
Lets put it this way. The Yankee Air Pirate Huns are as they are. At the same time, we totally respect your choice to change what you will with your game. I suggest you add to, or replace the YAP F-100's with another of your choice.
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#2686805 - 03/07/09 11:36 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: 8 L.E.I.N.]
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Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 1466
Loc: UK
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Well interesting - I'm not the expert here - a lot of pilot accounts from that era seem to involve jettisoning tanks - particularly Israeli Jet pilots! However I suppose its included here to force a point I guess.
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#2686814 - 03/07/09 12:02 PM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: 8 L.E.I.N.]
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Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 191
Loc: Brazil
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TRYING to bring them home doesnīt mean not to be able to jettinson them in case of emergency or to dogfight.
Sorry , but I canīt believe that USAF was so dumb in the Vietnam at the point of LOCKING a drop tank in the plane.
The fighter itself was more expensive than the drop tank don't you think?
In many occasions USAF pilots had to drop not the tanks but everything in the plane to save a damaged aircraft or even only to be able to eject in a area where they had more chances to be rescued.
This is a bug or a developer decision, but I will no accept this as "real life" thing.
Lets put it this way. The Yankee Air Pirate Huns are as they are. At the same time, we totally respect your choice to change what you will with your game. I suggest you add to, or replace the YAP F-100's with another of your choice. Fair enough.If this is a developer decision, let us know, period. This way I will not be concerned about if this is a bug and if can be fixed.
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#2686842 - 03/07/09 01:25 PM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: lbuchele]
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Registered: 04/20/06
Posts: 1704
Loc: Tchepone, Laos
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You did not normally jettison your fuel tanks. Tanks were jettisoned but it was less than usual. Our planes have both capabilities. We keep the capability when the mission will involve Migs. I flew 238 combat missions with wing tanks and centerline tanks. By WOV standards, I would have jettisoned 500 370-gallon wing tanks...sometimes just to go fight 30 miles down the road...right through the roof of someone's house. Didn't happen.
Punch off your tanks, you had better have a good reason. Punch off the pylon's, answer to the crew chief on your way down the ladder.
We can rig them to give the capability to the player but we won't give it to the AI airplanes. Watching a Hun or a Spad dropping their tanks to bomb is an hilarious thing to see.
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#2686890 - 03/07/09 04:39 PM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: 8 L.E.I.N.]
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Registered: 02/08/09
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lbuchele: 8 L.E.I.N. suggested... I suggest you add to, or replace the YAP F-100's with another of your choice. The easiest way to get what you want is simply to edit the F100D_DATA.INI file in \Objects\Aircraft\F-100D. Open the file in a simple text editor like Notepad and scroll down to the section labeled... // Weapon Stations --------------At the bottom of each numbered weapon station that can carry an external fuel tank, look for this line: NoJettisionTank=TRUEEither change the value to FALSE or delete the line entirely. Other aircraft in YAP2 have the same restriction, including: all A-4s, all F-100s, all F-4s, and all F-105s. If you wish to change those as well, simply find the corresponding DATA.INI file for each aircraft and edit as described above. Best, Eric L. Howes
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#2687053 - 03/08/09 06:49 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: eburger68]
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Registered: 07/29/07
Posts: 191
Loc: Brazil
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Thanks, for your polite answer ,zerocinco.I like it very much.
Will change the INI like Eric said to have the option to do it like real life pilots maybe had, even if I will not use it, if possible.
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#2693566 - 03/18/09 11:24 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: lbuchele]
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Registered: 04/06/07
Posts: 1001
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Zerocinco;
Were the tanks locked on the aircraft(IRL)? I mean, did you actually have the option available to get rid of them if you had to? Or was it that since you probably used that fuel first, getting rid of that weight, that keeping them mounted didn't make any appreciable difference in performance? If it did make a difference, isn't a pilot's life worth more than a couple of drop tanks OR even the aircraft?
Edited by Whitehead (03/18/09 11:40 AM)
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#3335071 - 07/05/11 04:02 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: lbuchele]
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Registered: 05/29/01
Posts: 93
Loc: Dublin, Ireland
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I just got my copy of YAP2. Very impressive indeed, but I too was puzzled by the drop tank behaviour in that when I drop the tanks I got the confirmation but visually they were still on the plane. I was flying a F-105 btw.
I actually emailed the YAP2 crew on this to find out it was a bug or...
Now having found this thread I understand that it has been coded on certain mission not to release. I applaud the realism these missions bring to live. My only concern with this approach is that, although I guess no attachments to the airplane should be dropped without thinking about the real life consequences (for more immersion), the option to do so is still necessary. What if I habe heavy battle damage and trying to nurse the plane home. Would pilots not clean it off getting rid of all unnecessary drag? In this case we wouldn't have the option to do so, costing the plane rather than a couple of tanks and pylons..
I did see there is a way to renable this.. so it is not a big deal. I was just merely thinking out loud.
Just my 5 cents.
Thanks,
G
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#3335302 - 07/05/11 09:40 AM
Re: Drop tanks are not dropping
[Re: gians]
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Registered: 11/21/05
Posts: 1466
Loc: UK
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I just got my copy of YAP2. Very impressive indeed, but I too was puzzled by the drop tank behaviour in that when I drop the tanks I got the confirmation but visually they were still on the plane. I was flying a F-105 btw.
I actually emailed the YAP2 crew on this to find out it was a bug or...
Now having found this thread I understand that it has been coded on certain mission not to release. I applaud the realism these missions bring to live. My only concern with this approach is that, although I guess no attachments to the airplane should be dropped without thinking about the real life consequences (for more immersion), the option to do so is still necessary. What if I habe heavy battle damage and trying to nurse the plane home. Would pilots not clean it off getting rid of all unnecessary drag? In this case we wouldn't have the option to do so, costing the plane rather than a couple of tanks and pylons..
I did see there is a way to renable this.. so it is not a big deal. I was just merely thinking out loud.
Just my 5 cents.
Thanks,
G Got plenty of a accounts of F-4s dropping tanks over Vietnam for various reasons: Maj Stan Picket is quoted as saying: "The Centreline tank was jettisoned before firing AIM-7's but we generally cleaned off all tanks before a MiG engagement."I suppose 05 is coming from the point that YAP recreates mostly Mud mover missions - where they may have had restrictions to only jettison tanks if they were screwed.
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