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#2682635 - 03/01/09 04:16 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. ***** [Re: Col. Gibbon]  
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Mo' Betta!
The larger pilot puts this baby into proper perspective.

Nice work.
Hope your wife gets freed from the clutches of the Polish Gestapo.


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#2682645 - 03/01/09 04:28 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Wudpecker]  
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Originally Posted By: Wudpecker
Mo' Betta!
The larger pilot puts this baby into proper perspective.

Nice work.
Hope your wife gets freed from the clutches of the Polish Gestapo.


At the moment I'm trying to get her free from the Bloody French Starzy! If she was in Poland it would be easies to fix things, but if she goes to Poland we don't have the cash to get here home. frown

Still you've not spotted the new addition to the model.


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#2682855 - 03/01/09 10:42 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Col. Gibbon]  
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Here is a beta version of the SE5a to try.

http://rapidshare.com/files/204180702/HRSE5abeta.zip.html

Comments please, so I can finish off the skin before I get the other models finished to make a release version.


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#2683055 - 03/02/09 05:38 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Col. Gibbon]  
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Thanks for the tester Gibbo...

Have run the SE5 and notice it is smaller in scale
than Tuma's models..

Here's a pic comparison taken in the same game,
and at the same camera distance - FULL with the
captures all at 66.7%.









Some modifications if possible m8..

1) The prop size needs to be bigger...







2) The undercarriage struts need thickening up
with the main side ones flared ...and can the
wheels be more rounded?



3) Can you provide a 3D pilot, your pilot disappears
in front and rear views.

ade thumbsup


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#2683073 - 03/02/09 06:24 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Flying Tiger]  
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Hi,

the pilot seat of the SEA5 should get moved forward. The cowling is by far to long.

Otherwise its an impressive work.

Greetings,

Knegel


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#2683087 - 03/02/09 07:52 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Knegel]  
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Hi FT,

By increasing the size of the model you will get more nodes to model the 3DZ. With more nodes the model can become more realistic as a single node movement sometimes can have a devastating impact on it.
A trick I use is to create a model as small as possible and tweak it after it's been resized. Since there's more space between nodes after resizing the model will usually look better.
Obviously this may also have an impact on the model's R/S and normals.
I think the wings can use some additional work, possibly by deviding several elements and make better use of the added spaces between nodes.
Now don't take this as negative input, just take your time to work on it and it'll get there. Things just don't work out immediately with the way models have to be created. Just be glad you weren't here when we didn't have Paolo's, Gurney's, Mr. J's and Will Baldwin's tools yet, eeeeeeeeeek

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#2683109 - 03/02/09 09:36 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: VonBeerhofen]  
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When I started to bulid the model I started by laying out wing points to give me the max wingspan, and therefore the scale of the plane. That was at the beginning and it's now only a few points out after changes in mapping and shaping.

Model 8.06 mtrs 180 3dz points
Real Wingspan: 26 ft 7 in (8.11 m)

Because all the Bi-planes have been made from an EAW WWII model, it's possible the scale of the other bi-planes is too big.


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#2683139 - 03/02/09 11:39 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Flying Tiger]  
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Originally Posted By: Flying Tiger
Thanks for the tester Gibbo...

Have run the SE5 and notice it is smaller in scale
than Tuma's models..




Hi Flyning Tiger!

Col. Gibbon s SE5a Model are in correct sizes.

My model are on purpose bigger - then they may have more details, and better look.
In a given gauge that isn't no big problem (In my opinion) - must be but all models made in same gauge.
I will let it up to you, if make smaller my models, or enlarge Col. Gibbon s Models.





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#2683145 - 03/02/09 11:52 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Knegel]  
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Yep, I still look in at times.
Originally Posted By: Knegel

...... Otherwise its an impressive work.....

I don't think people actually realise what a massive job that SEA5 actually is.

If one looks at the top wing, the battle to get it RS compliant with the rest of the aircraft would have been a huge task, no matter what tools were used.

All I can say is Congratulations John, the RS engineering behind that Model is something you should be proud of.

To do what you have, I suspect would have used up virtually every free node or very close to it.


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#2683151 - 03/02/09 12:22 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: sydbod]  
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Gibbo,

Understand now re the scale variation m8, does
the prop size, undercarriage and pilot adjustments
present many probs?

Not sure about Ralf's comment re nose length and
cockpit. It looks OK when scaled up against a side
profile, but that's not too accurate...


Yep fully agree Sydo this long awaited model's a
work of art and has had the hard yards put into
it by Gibbo and Deano.


Thanks Jan for clearing up the scale difference
for me..

ade thumbsup


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#2683165 - 03/02/09 01:17 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Flying Tiger]  
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Ah well, there you go, if Jan's models are bigger to get more detail in, and I knew that before I started I could have followed his scale.

To resize the model, would at this point mean going back, and redoing the RS and Normals, which I don't really want to do at this late stage.

Hi Ade.

The thicker landing strut and bigger prop are easy, and I've already made the pilot a bit bigger.

Hi Sydbod.

Glad to see your hanging around. Yes, the RS was a pig to get right, but I've learned a lot from this model. Jointing 3dz's is an art in it's self, which you will see if the model is damaged! Big elements will appear!! These are the jointing hard point elements, which I will delete just before final release, just as the original models have all those missing elements.


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#2683293 - 03/02/09 04:28 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Col. Gibbon]  
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whats that expression? too many chefs not enough cooks??? if anybody took the time to compare the Se 3dz against Tumas in studio theres not that much difference, the other wing is a spad (and both had the exact same top wing span 27") and on Tumas scale by default, so if anything??? maybe its a 10% off and even thats not going to offer much or damage anything at that rescaling but what i did notice the Se fuselage looks 20% smaller than the spad which again both had the exact same lenghts. this should be the least of your worries! i'll give this a try as soon as i dig myself out of the snow storm we just got...unless you beat me to it!!!



#2683565 - 03/02/09 11:04 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: FlyRight]  
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OK, bigger pilot, thicker strut on the landing gear, and a bigger rebuilt prop.

http://rapidshare.com/files/204594552/HRSE5abeta2.zip.html

Finished shadowfile.

http://rapidshare.com/files/204596928/PP51DH.3dz.html

Last edited by Col. Gibbon; 03/02/09 11:11 PM.

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#2683835 - 03/03/09 06:24 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Col. Gibbon]  
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Col! i'm a few days or a few hours from finishing your Se bringing it up to Tuma a/c scaling, resized your wings first so they were proportional to the undersized fuselage, be reconnecting them to the chords moving one node at a time and then resize all 3dzs to conform, not a big deal and nothing got out of kiltered, so far...great looking plane either way!!! i may adapt his P.3dz/Vtr fix to free up some space on the fuselage pcx for consideration redoing the wheels later on.

#2683863 - 03/03/09 07:54 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: FlyRight]  
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Right then, if people are going to mess around with my work, just because my scale is correct, and others have been made to an incorect scale, I will not bother finishing this model.

Project finished!


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#2684029 - 03/03/09 03:09 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Col. Gibbon]  
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i thought i was helping? apparently not!...release your version whenever your finished, i rather use the time on something else anyway. And i did say i was going to try! so you had a chance to comment on that...or maybe we're all waisting our time here anyway!!! because whats the point of posting on a forum???

#2684056 - 03/03/09 04:05 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: FlyRight]  
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Easy, boys, easy.
It doesn't happen often that two fellas work on the same thing.
Enjoy the chance to have a buddy.


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#2684280 - 03/03/09 09:50 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Wudpecker]  
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OK FlyRight.

I'm cool. I just don't see the need to resize my model. If the search was working I'd show you other default models which are either too big or too small, and nobody has ever cared about resizing them.

Hi Wuddy.

I'm under a lot of stress here, and I was out of order, but this is my bird, and I wanted to finish it before others start fiddling with it.


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#2684387 - 03/04/09 12:15 AM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: Col. Gibbon]  
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...if thats the case, just do what you used to do, Pm the few you need feedback from with whatever your consents may be Col!

#2686872 - 03/07/09 11:37 PM Re: WWIAW edges ever closer. [Re: FlyRight]  
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An old EAW friend asks what is the position with FM/guns setups for these new planes.

I've checked Jan Tuma's downloads and the fms are not included.

Anyone working on a package?

Moggy DCM

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