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#2674286 - 02/17/09 04:20 AM Win7 draconian DRM surfaces.  
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A few days' testing of Windows 7 has already disclosed some draconian DRM, some unrelated to media files. A legitimate copy of Photoshop CS4 stopped functioning after we clobberred a nagging registration screen by replacing a .dll with a hacked version. That's not so much a surprise, but what WAS a surprise: Noting that Win7 allows programs like Photoshop to stealthily insert themselves in your firewall exception list. Further, that the OS is crippled towards allowing large software vendors to penetrate your machine. Even further, that that crippling is responsible for disabling of a program based on a modified .dll. Remote attestation, anyone? And then finding that the OS even after reboot has locked you out of your own Local Settings folder; has denied you permission to move or delete the modified DLL; and refuses to allow the replacement of the Local Settings folder after it is unlocked with Unlocker to move it to the Desktop for examination (where it also denies you entry to your own folder). Setting permissions to "allow everyone" was disabled!


So this means if I have a problem with a DRM system on a legit copy of a game and I try to get a noCD patch to play it, the system will lock me out of my own files?

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The days of capturing an audio program on your PC are gone if the program originated on your PC. The inputs of your sound card are severely degraded in software if the card is also playing an audio program (tested here with Grooveshark). Under XP you could select "Stereo Mix" or similar under audio recording inputs and nicely capture any program then playing. Microsoft appears to be pandering to Big Music for its own reasons unrelated to consumer satisfaction. This may be the tip of the iceberg. Something *really nasty* is lurking under the surface of Win7. Being in bed with the RIAA is bad enough, but locking your own files away from you is a device so outrageous it may kill the OS for many persons.


Just gets better and better no doubt. nope


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#2674292 - 02/17/09 04:34 AM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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That is extremely disappointing. The Audio thing is bad enough but if they are trying to lock out dll files from programs then that is almost a deal breaker.

The more I read about win7 the less I look forward to it.

#2674302 - 02/17/09 04:59 AM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Master]  
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Heh, if true... what a mess.


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#2674305 - 02/17/09 05:13 AM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: adlabs6]  
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#2674458 - 02/17/09 02:21 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Rilex]  

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it really isn't worthwhile to progress beyond Windows 2000 SP4 (im not really keen on WinXP sp3 either) using windows.

much better to go from win2k sp4 straight to puppy linux or maybe ubuntu.

the things is, Win7 is bound to have been designed with adobe and other big software houses to allow them to have massive copy protection, including cripplign copying of sound and video. The p[rotection will be stealthy and hidden - for example, Adobe Acrobat v8+ under Win2k already does things to your registry and contacts Adobe in really intrusive ways. The result of this is to actually allow hackers
to use Adobe to cripple your machine.

Adboe Acrobat and suite is now the No1 and major backdoor for hackers to enter your system - simply because Adobe is designed to penetrae Windows completely. Hackers just use its intrusive code as a free ride to go straight to the heart of your system.

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#2674466 - 02/17/09 02:37 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: ]  
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Lol...uh what?

#2674479 - 02/17/09 03:02 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: ]  
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Originally Posted By: Bledfin
it really isn't worthwhile to progress beyond Windows 2000 SP4 (im not really keen on WinXP sp3 either) using windows.

much better to go from win2k sp4 straight to puppy linux or maybe ubuntu.

the things is, Win7 is bound to have been designed with abode and other big software houses to allow them to have massive copy protection, including cripplign copying of sound and video. The p[rotection will be stealthy and hidden - for example, Adobe Acrobat v8+ under Win2k already does things to your registry and contacts Adobe in really intrusive ways. The result of this is to actually allow hackers
to use Adobe to cripple your machine.

Adboe Acrobat and suite is now the No1 and major backdoor for hackers to enter your system - simply because Adobe is designed to penetrae Windows completely. Hackers just use its intrusive code as a free ride to go straight to the heart of your system.


What in the world are you talking about?

This is the most completely ridiculous thing you have yet posted, and you've posted plenty.

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#2674480 - 02/17/09 03:05 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Desert Eagle]  
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Originally Posted By: Desert Eagle
http://slashdot.org/~TechForensics

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A few days' testing of Windows 7 has already disclosed some draconian DRM, some unrelated to media files. A legitimate copy of Photoshop CS4 stopped functioning after we clobberred a nagging registration screen by replacing a .dll with a hacked version. That's not so much a surprise, but what WAS a surprise: Noting that Win7 allows programs like Photoshop to stealthily insert themselves in your firewall exception list. Further, that the OS is crippled towards allowing large software vendors to penetrate your machine. Even further, that that crippling is responsible for disabling of a program based on a modified .dll. Remote attestation, anyone? And then finding that the OS even after reboot has locked you out of your own Local Settings folder; has denied you permission to move or delete the modified DLL; and refuses to allow the replacement of the Local Settings folder after it is unlocked with Unlocker to move it to the Desktop for examination (where it also denies you entry to your own folder). Setting permissions to "allow everyone" was disabled!


So this means if I have a problem with a DRM system on a legit copy of a game and I try to get a noCD patch to play it, the system will lock me out of my own files?

Quote:
The days of capturing an audio program on your PC are gone if the program originated on your PC. The inputs of your sound card are severely degraded in software if the card is also playing an audio program (tested here with Grooveshark). Under XP you could select "Stereo Mix" or similar under audio recording inputs and nicely capture any program then playing. Microsoft appears to be pandering to Big Music for its own reasons unrelated to consumer satisfaction. This may be the tip of the iceberg. Something *really nasty* is lurking under the surface of Win7. Being in bed with the RIAA is bad enough, but locking your own files away from you is a device so outrageous it may kill the OS for many persons.


Just gets better and better no doubt. nope


I think you should really consider the source on this one... Win 7 does absolutely NOTHING like that. No such code is included.

I would like to see that error reproduced. I've done this with CS4 and Acrobat 9, and no such thing happens.

Sounds like pure Anti-MS/Anti-Windows fear mongering to me. Rubbish.

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#2674583 - 02/17/09 05:25 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Skater]  
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Thanks for the info Skater.

BTW, can you comment on the stereo mix functionality? I know this limitation can be due to hardware (or at least it's drivers) as I've seen this feature come and go in WinXP through different sound cards.


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#2674599 - 02/17/09 05:54 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: adlabs6]  
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Yeah, Slashdot is not known for their love of Windows. Plus, I assume they are using a beta, and it's possible some things are in the beta for testing purposes that won't be in the final.


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#2674642 - 02/17/09 07:23 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Arthonon]  
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Adlabs, stereo mix is primarily a function of the driver set. There is really no change from XP/Server 2K3/Vista/Server 2K8. If your driver set allows for it, it will be there.

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#2674669 - 02/17/09 08:15 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Skater]  
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#2675060 - 02/18/09 11:19 AM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Arthonon]  
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Over the hills and far away.
I buy all my games (really!) but use a no-cd or no-dvd crack wherever possible because I don't like swapping disks all the time! My disks are all locked away, safely stored.
So I hope it isn't true what they say, otherwise it's gonna be a no-go for me and Windows 7.
Best regards, Kodiak.


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#2675100 - 02/18/09 01:38 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Kodiak]  
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Don't worry Kodiak... It's completely untrue.

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#2675171 - 02/18/09 03:13 PM Re: Win7 draconian DRM surfaces. [Re: Skater]  
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moving around europe...
considering the "audio mix stuff", if I'm not mistaken, already in Vista, the software layer comes above the hardware which is not accessible directly to the drivers...

There was a lot of comments about it when Creative made their X-Fi cards with plenty of hardware acceleration capabilities and which were simply unavailable through vista which did all the sound stuff in software mode...

I have been out of software discussions for some time, and don't know if anything chenged, but that was one of the complaints ofter read about vista, as far as sound editing and gaming were concerned


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