#2621999 - 11/23/08 11:01 PM
Multi-monitor issue with Vista - FIXED
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I have a 22" 1680x1050 widescreen monitor on the right and a 1280x1024 monitor on the left....within windows they are set up as independent screens via my GTX280.
When I set Blackshark to output to 2 monitors using the 'shkval+camera' setting within the options, the picture I get is only on the main monitor but it is split down the middle.
Can anyone advise how to set this up properly, is there something obvious I have got wrong?
Last edited by Paradaz; 11/28/08 12:53 AM. Reason: Problem solved
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#2622009 - 11/23/08 11:23 PM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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see if this post by "therion prime" on the DCS Black Shark forum will help. he has it working but says that setting it up was a pita. he has an ATI video card so his method might not work for you. there might be some other post in the thread with more help. the third one on this page: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=32630&page=3Ok, so here's how I did it:
1) You have to enable the second screen in the gfx control panel
2) You have to set it to "extended desktop" and then enable "stretching horizontally"
3) This is where the PITA can occur: You have to select a resolution for the combined monitors. In the ATI control panel I had only 4 different resolutions availiable and only one would work for me (2040x768 ), matching closest my desired (akward) resolution of 2384x768 (I have a 32" LCD-TV (1360x768 ) and a old 19" CRT (1024x768 ) => 1360 + 1024 = 2384)).
So the image on my LCD-TV is stretched by ~300 pixels.
I tried to add the custom resolution with Powerstrip, but I could only add it to the resolution list of the separate monitors, but not to the list of the virtual stretched display. I hope this makes sense .
Maybe it's easier with Nvidia cards or with two normal monitors.
Anyway, you should end up with the desktop - AND THE TASKBAR!! -stretched over both screens. If the taskbar is only displayed on one screen, you did something wrong!
The Shkval-screen needs to be the left one (with the "Start" button) the main screen the right one (with the Systray and the clock). Of course you can put the second screen wherever you want, but it needs to be the left one settings wise. If it's the right one, select "swith screens" in your gfxcard control panel.
4) In the BS options you have to enable "2 Screens - Shkval+Monitor" and select the virtual resolution (2040x768 in my case). Exactly. If you have only one monitor and enable "shkval+mainscreen" in BS, the image is split vertically in the center (shkval left, screen right).
It's a very simple solution that forces you to use the same resolution on both screens.
So the more different the two monitores are by the means of resolution and aspect ratio, the worse the image quality will be. For example a combination of a 26" widescreen monitor and a 4:3 8" LCD will not work satisfactory. the eighth post on this page shows his setup with the two monitors working. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=32630&page=2in the faq "EvilBivol-1 posts a link to a config file so that you can have Camera+Shkval in addition but the link doesn't work.
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#2622020 - 11/23/08 11:51 PM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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did you look at "zorlac's" post on page 11? he has it working with an Nvidia 7800GT but both of his monitors are the same size. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=32630&page=11woohoo!
AMD X2 4800+, 2 x 20" screens, each running 1600x1200, NVidia 7800GT in horizontal span mode, BlackShark running in full screen mode. Adding the Shkval and ABRIS to the second screen costs almost zero FPS.
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#2622021 - 11/23/08 11:54 PM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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Great, unless you have Vista too.
You can't set 'horizontal span' in vista with Nvidia's drivers meaning that the screen split will always be in the middle of the main monitor and a second/third screen will never receive output.
Thanks for the help anyway.
**Update, after some research Nvidia have stated they will never incorporate horizontal span into their Vista drivers due to DRM issues and Vista architectural changes.
**Update 2, it looks like the monitor spanning problem also affects ATI cards so it is a Vista issue with no fix looking like it will come any time soon. This basically means tha the Black Shark multi-monitor support is impossible for anyone running MS Vista.
Last edited by Paradaz; 11/24/08 01:23 AM.
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#2623683 - 11/26/08 04:06 PM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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Now I`m not sure what`s the difference between extending and spanning the desktop as I don`t have an english OS but I`m sure the solution for Your problem is in the posts above. Have gone through them myself the last days and got it working on XP but with a method mentioned to work with Vista also. My center moni runs at 1024x768 and second at 800x600 at different refresh rates so maybe You can tell if I`m running extended or spanned... I think the trick for Vista is NOT running in full screen but windowed mode and adding whatever You have as Your second moni resolution as an offset to the center screen x in Your IndividualMoniSetup.lua like The second moni is to the right of center and that`s where I put the SHKVAL and ABRIS in my IndividualMoniSetup.lua . Then I add another times second monis resolution to the right of output and offset the center with it. This means I have total x=2624 (1024+800+800) but a centered pic on both monis. If it helps I can post my lua`s...
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#2624075 - 11/27/08 02:10 PM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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Guy here says he`s got it working on Vista in windowed mode as I described above, read here : http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=564860&postcount=60and post #51 on top of page. This is in Dualview, so no spanning/extending. The cummulative width of 2624 pixels is just for the BS output renderer and gets broken down and distributed to the separate monitors. Did You try yet ? Hope it works out for You...
I`m just the group commanders KA-52 driver, so I wanna KA-50 all for myself...
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#2624304 - 11/28/08 12:14 AM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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Glad it worked out Did You get it working in fullscreen mode or windowed with offset ? Currently trying to manage fullscreen as performance is said to be better than windowed...
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#2624330 - 11/28/08 01:37 AM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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I've finally sussed it out, thanks to all involved.
After playing around for the last 2 hours with various settings I now have the following setup:-
17" Monitor on the left (1280 x 1024), 22" Widescreen on the right (1680 x 1050) The 17" screen has the ABRIS and Shkval with a vertical split, the 22" Widescreen has the main cockpit. No slowdown, all aspect ratios correct and working fine.
I'll get some screenshots on tomorrow for anyone interested. If anyone want instructions as the ones I've read on various sites have been fairly complex and often contradicted each other. If anyone has real problems I'm happy to send the required files/configs for whatever monitors you may have as I can do it quite quick now. Now that's what I've been waiting for. That's the setup I want to do but I've held off buying another monitor until I saw it working. A couple of questions: How do you operate the ABRIS in that setup? Does your mouse pass over to the other monitor? What about the ABRIS knobs on the bottom?
Last edited by Lucky; 11/28/08 01:37 AM.
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#2624520 - 11/28/08 02:36 PM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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Glad you got it working daz.
@lucky The ABRIS and shkval are purely visual in a multi monitor setup. No buttons to press on the ABRIS its all still done in the cockpit, it just make things easier to see/read.
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#2625270 - 11/29/08 09:55 PM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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@lucky The ABRIS and shkval are purely visual in a multi monitor setup. No buttons to press on the ABRIS its all still done in the cockpit, it just make things easier to see/read.
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Thanks soupdragon, I'm running at 1600 x 1200 on a 21" LCD monitor and I have to zoom in to see the ABRIS clearly. Having it on a separate monitor certainly would make viewing easier but I still have to zoom in to make changes, so I'm not sure it's practical now. But, I'll see what kind of deal I can get on a second monitor this weekend and maybe give it a try.
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#2625355 - 11/30/08 12:15 AM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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I'm hoping I can get it working on Vista a pair of 22" widescreens stacked one on top of each other. I would like the lower one to be a touch screen so I can literally interact with the clickable cockpit with my hands. Then if I want to see the screens, I just have to flick my eyes down as opposed to move my head down for the TrackIR to alter the view.
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#2625413 - 11/30/08 02:43 AM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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Well, I found an Acer 22" wide screen 1680 X 1050 on NewEgg for $150.00 so I ordered it. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...N82E16824009145Next week I'll be giving it a try with pictures to follow. Now to make room on my desk.
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#2627976 - 12/04/08 05:30 AM
Re: Multi-monitor question
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I also posted this in the DCS Black Shark forum I got my new monitor yesterday. It's an Acer 22" widescreen 16:10. I also have a 20" Samsung 4:3 The desktop resolutions are 22" WS 1680x1050 and 20" 1280X1024 (It should be 1600X1200 But it suffers from the DVI blanking issue at native res. If it runs at a lower res it won't blank out. It is still under warranty so I may send it back. Anyway, After some calculations and trial and error I finally got the Shkval and ABRIS (I may remove the Shkval and leave the ABRIS only) on the Samsung but my main picture is not right. this is my 2monitortest.lua Description = '2MonitorTest' Viewports = { Center = { x = 0; y = 0; width = 2960; height = 1050; viewDx = 0; viewDy = 0; aspect = 16/10; } } Shkval = { x = 2960; y = 335; width = 640; height = 380; } ABRIS = { x = 3600; y = 0; width = 640; height = 1024; } And this is what I have in options.lua ["height"] = 1050, ["resolution"] = "4240x1050", ["civTraffic"] = 0, ["width"] = 4240, I'm running in windowed mode. Here are some pics: In the 2nd picture you can see the cockpit is way left. I had to add 1280 to the width to get the cockpit on the main screen. But, in the 3rd pic I was zoomed all the way out and the cockpit is not centered. Where did I go wrong? I hope this makes sense. Any ideas or suggestions appreciated.
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