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#2615028 - 11/11/08 06:57 PM LCD TV for Gaming?  
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Gentlemen

I have a Dell XPS 410 with a dual core 660 at 2.4MHz and a GeForce 7950GS video card with Windows XP. I'm looking to upgrade my monitor to a widescreen format; I mostly play flight sims and tank sims on it. I am not knowledgeable at all about the technical stuff.

Dell has nice 24" and 30" widescreen monitors, but I've heard you can use a 37" or larger LCD TV as a monitor? Is this possible to use for flight sim and tank sim gaming? Or should I just get a 24" or 30" widescreen monitor? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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#2615044 - 11/11/08 07:18 PM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: Edward]  
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get a 120Hz 1080p , trust me...


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#2615152 - 11/11/08 09:50 PM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: SkateZilla]  
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Most LCD TVs will work just fine as computer monitors, but in general the pixel density is a lot lower. Consider the typical native resolutions for widescreen computer monitors:
19": 1440x900
22": 1680x1050
24": 1920x1200
30": 2560x1600

You can get a 37" or larger TV, but the highest resolution you can get is 1080p (1920x1080). Of course the price should be much lower. Some people use TVs as gaming monitors and love them, while others are put off by the pixel density.

Your best option is to see if you can run your game on a TV before you buy, to see what it looks like.

#2615194 - 11/11/08 10:37 PM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: Joe]  
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Joe

Thanks for the information smile I'll test the games out on the family LCD TV first.

Sincerely
Edward

#2615461 - 11/12/08 11:57 AM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: Edward]  
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Edward, I was playing around with the same ideas recently, but found that anything above 30" is definitly not good if you want to actually work on the PC as well (mails, internet...) if you are sitting in front of a desk and not across the living room.

I've put my nose up to some 37" and 40" screens at the store, and the image is far from what you get from a true computer LCD at a normal "desktop" viewing distance.

Also, as I understood it (but could be mistaken...) most 1080p screens will only do "24p" which means 24 full frames of 1920x1080 a second. That is pretty slow for a computer game which might otherwise run at 30 to 45PFS, older games even at 60FPS (VSYNCH) on a true computer LCD.

Additionally, you want to check your framerate at such resolutions - not sure how well the 7950GS will hold up. In my experience (purely guesswork and some tests) it seems that higher res demands more pixel shader units, as there are more individual pixels to render. Simple textured polygon graphics (like IL-2 or FS2004) are performing pretty independent from screen resolution, but shaded/postprocessed games like Armed Assault clearly tie their performance mostly to the amount of shading work your card can handle.

I went from 1600x1200 at 2xFSAA to 1920x1200 at 2xFSAA, which is about 20% more pixels, and the results are pretty much a 20% drop in framerates for Arma and Stalker. If you're coming from a more common 1280x1024 res on your current LCD, the leap to 1920x1080 should be considered, and running lower res on such large a screen will look flat out ugly.


In the end, I settled for a 27" Dell 2709W which is a true computer screen, but at a more hardware-friendly 1920x1200 instead of the 30" 2560x1600. That's a screen I can actually sit in front and work at without my eyes starting to bleed, but at 600EUR not cheap. If you're short on cash, look for the Hanns-G 28" 1920x1200 screens which can be had for about 400EUR or less.

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is it the same for plasma tv's? how do they work as PC monitors?


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#2616127 - 11/13/08 06:32 AM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: RSColonel_131st]  
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Originally Posted By: RSColonel_131st
Edward, I was playing around with the same ideas recently, but found that anything above 30" is definitly not good if you want to actually work on the PC as well (mails, internet...) if you are sitting in front of a desk and not across the living room.

I've put my nose up to some 37" and 40" screens at the store, and the image is far from what you get from a true computer LCD at a normal "desktop" viewing distance.

Also, as I understood it (but could be mistaken...) most 1080p screens will only do "24p" which means 24 full frames of 1920x1080 a second. That is pretty slow for a computer game which might otherwise run at 30 to 45PFS, older games even at 60FPS (VSYNCH) on a true computer LCD.

Additionally, you want to check your framerate at such resolutions - not sure how well the 7950GS will hold up. In my experience (purely guesswork and some tests) it seems that higher res demands more pixel shader units, as there are more individual pixels to render. Simple textured polygon graphics (like IL-2 or FS2004) are performing pretty independent from screen resolution, but shaded/postprocessed games like Armed Assault clearly tie their performance mostly to the amount of shading work your card can handle.

I went from 1600x1200 at 2xFSAA to 1920x1200 at 2xFSAA, which is about 20% more pixels, and the results are pretty much a 20% drop in framerates for Arma and Stalker. If you're coming from a more common 1280x1024 res on your current LCD, the leap to 1920x1080 should be considered, and running lower res on such large a screen will look flat out ugly.


In the end, I settled for a 27" Dell 2709W which is a true computer screen, but at a more hardware-friendly 1920x1200 instead of the 30" 2560x1600. That's a screen I can actually sit in front and work at without my eyes starting to bleed, but at 600EUR not cheap. If you're short on cash, look for the Hanns-G 28" 1920x1200 screens which can be had for about 400EUR or less.


Thats why I said get a 120Hz FHDTV, they upsample 60 frames/sec to 120


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#2616972 - 11/14/08 02:59 PM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: SkateZilla]  
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But aren't they super-expensive? All I see around here is 24p stuff, and that's quite pricey.

JAS, mostly the same for Plasma, with the added problem that they are slightly more likely to "burn in". We have one in the company entrance, and it's already showing the News TV station logo top left as that's the channel it's always running.

For working in windows, the Start Button or task bar could produce similar problems, and at sizes under 40" I don't think Plasma has any advantage over LCD these days.

#2617039 - 11/14/08 03:56 PM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: RSColonel_131st]  
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I would pass on plasma for computing due to image retention and burn in. Image retention is where a stationary image is retained for a short time and clears, burn in is where the panel holds the image permanently.

My parents have a 42" plasma and for movies and TV the picture quality is stunning. In my opinion it blows away my 22" Samsung LCD that I watch DVD movies on. Darks are just fantastic, with none of that 'bright' blue-black that I have seen on my own and other people's LCDs during dark scenes. (Not backlight bleed, just the black screen on a properly functioning LCD).

Their plasma will show very faint image retention after a long sports game with the scoreboard constantly on the top of the screen. But if a movie plays afterwards, the retention seems to clear completely. I have seen no burn in marks on it.

Beautiful image quality, I'd probably choose it for DVD and TV myself if I were in the market. But due to these points perhaps not ideal for computing.


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#2617839 - 11/16/08 12:59 AM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: adlabs6]  
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We have a 50 inch Panasonic Plasma (768p nominal 60fps) and I use a 24" widescreen CRT for my computer.

The plasma is great for sports (like being there). In a pitch black room, the screen has a faint gray background when there is no picture. The newer plasmas have much stronger blacks. There is no permanent burn in in normal use -- just a very temporary one (that only shows on a black screen in a dark room) if one has had a still image showing for a while. Showing the same image indefinitely may cause permanent burn in -- don't know.

Having said that. I would not use a plasma for a computer monitor. The smaller ones either do not have the high resolution or are very expensive.

Rather I would buy a CRT -- whoops, they don't make them anymore. Well, I guess that means a good LCD for computer work up close. OR, a smaller screen 1080p LCD HDTV with a high refresh rate. Thing is, a regular monitor would be cheaper for the same refresh rate.

Just opinions similar to the others posted above FWIW.


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#2618841 - 11/17/08 07:33 PM Re: LCD TV for Gaming? [Re: Allen]  
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A screen too big might actually be hindrance for gaming, because you have to constantly pan you head to see the whole screen. Also, the resolution of TVs are actually lower than 24" monitor.


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