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#2534911 - 06/18/08 09:12 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: =FB=VikS]
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I got a little more information about the number of vehicles of the different French Locomotive types:

- Most numerous is the different types of the 230 "Ten Wheels", with more than 850 units
- 2nd most numerous is the 140 "Consolidated" with around 270 units, 70 of them (the "ALVF" type) used for artillery transports and artillery train (see picture below)
- 3rd a last numerous is the 232 "Baltic", with 119 units

The other were much less numerous.
- 220 "Outrance" - 32 units
- 130 "Mogul" - 24 units (but more than 100 used by Germany...)
- 030 "Mammouth" - 18 units
- 221 "Atlantic" - 2 units
I found also that none 050 "Ten coupled" where used on French side during WWI. Around 180 were used on German Side, then captured and used by the French after the war.

To end, a picture on a French artillery train


Viktor... I suppose that you will modell only 1 or 2 of the types... could you tell which ones, so we can focus on and find more documentation about ?

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#2535018 - 06/18/08 11:33 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Rama]
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 Originally Posted By: Rama
I got a little more information about the number of vehicles of the different French Locomotive types:

- Most numerous is the different types of the 230 "Ten Wheels", with more than 850 units
- 2nd most numerous is the 140 "Consolidated" with around 270 units, 70 of them (the "ALVF" type) used for artillery transports and artillery train (see picture below)
- 3rd a last numerous is the 232 "Baltic", with 119 units

The other were much less numerous.
- 220 "Outrance" - 32 units
- 130 "Mogul" - 24 units (but more than 100 used by Germany...)
- 030 "Mammouth" - 18 units
- 221 "Atlantic" - 2 units
I found also that none 050 "Ten coupled" where used on French side during WWI. Around 180 were used on German Side, then captured and used by the French after the war.

Viktor... I suppose that you will modell only 1 or 2 of the types... could you tell which ones, so we can focus on and find more documentation about ?



Most widely used - will be the best to get info on, so it would be good to start from the top of your list, and if there will be any drawings of 230 "Ten Wheels" - its gonna be a winner! \:\)

PS: thanks for help Rama!
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#2535232 - 06/18/08 05:22 PM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: =FB=VikS]
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Ok

Everything I could grab on the Web for the 230 "Ten Wheel"

This Link with some pictures and the technical description (I can help with translation if needed)
This Link with pictures of different type of the 230 (you can see the differences, especially in the front)
This Link with 5 picture of the 230 at the top of the page
This Link with some nice good photograph of a "saved" 230 that will be rebuilt
This pdf Link for picture of the same machine, some details + a side drawing
This picture of a saved 230 in the French railway museum

I will try to see if I can find a book to get 3-side drawing and scan it for you. But if others can find some stuff about this machine on Internet, I guess it would be helpfull too... ;\)

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#2536293 - 06/20/08 07:32 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Rama]
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2 more pages on different 230 "Ten Wheel" subtypes.

- This one, on the 230 used in East of France

- This one, on the 230 used in West of France (but quite close to the others in some sub-types, particularly in the second par of the page.
In this last page, there are some picture of the driving compartment... could be helpfull to built some textures.

I continue to search for the drawings. I send some messages to the re-building associations, and contacted a friend of mine worling in the French Railway infrastructure company (RFF).

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#2536310 - 06/20/08 08:21 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Rama]
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And if needed, 2 sound samples of a train tracted by a 230

First Sound with a locomotive 230 T + 2 flat wagon (sound regestered from one of the wagon)

Second Sound taken from a passenger train (Special Persan-Beaumont-Creil-Beauvais-Persan in 1983) tracked by a 230 G

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#2536357 - 06/20/08 09:58 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Rama]
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It's not really on topic but probably it helps. Here is a map from 1908 showing all the raillines:

http://www.mapy.blink.pl/pomorze/staatsbahnen_1908.jpg

There are tons of other maps on that site from different periods.
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#2536902 - 06/21/08 09:05 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Tbag]
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Here's a document that's related, but on the system of German supply and movement logistics using railroads on the Western Front (addresses supply of German army divisions, main rail lines, and a few other details, like Allied bombing of German rail yards):

Germany's Railroad Facilities On The Western Front Page 1
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#2538397 - 06/24/08 02:18 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: FlyRetired]
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Quote from the site ( http://www.firstworldwar.com ):

"American locomotive for war service in France":



and "An Austrian benzine locomotive for railroad or road":

http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/graphics/cpe_benzine_loco_01.jpg

They seem to have had a great variety of locomotives \:\)


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#2584445 - 09/10/08 01:10 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Laser]
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We are looking for weather statistics for 1914 till 1919, if anyone know where to get it, or maybe have it, please help!
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#2584466 - 09/10/08 02:19 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: =FB=VikS]
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 Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
We are looking for weather statistics for 1914 till 1919, if anyone know where to get it, or maybe have it, please help!


If you download ReLoad 1.166 from my signature link, and open ReLoad.chm, section 'Bletchley's Weather Settings', you can get Bletchley's, Greybeard's and Mark's (from SWWISA) table results about temperature, wind and pressure, together with a dice setting system. You can see their sources and also you can try to contact them at SWWISA forum.

Regards,
US95 Gabi/Laser

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