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#2533836 - 06/16/08 11:29 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Laser]
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This site is about french steam engines. It offers technical datas, too.

http://thierry.stora.free.fr/english/pic_gal1.htm

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#2533978 - 06/16/08 04:36 PM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Manuc]
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I just did a short research (wiki and a few other sites) for the French steam locomotives used between 1914 and 1918.

There are a huge variety of different type. Focussing on the North and Eastern region, here a list of the most common models:
030 Est - "Mammouth"
130 A Est - "Mogul"
130 B Est - "Mogul 8s"
230 A Est - "Ten Wheel"
230 B Est - "Ten Wheel"
230 J Est - "Ten wheel série 11 S"
140 Est - "Consolidation"
232 T Est - "Baltic"
140 C ALVF
050 T Midi - "Ten coupled"
220 Nord - "Outrance"
221 série 8v - "Atlantic"
230 Nord - "Ten Wheel"
230 G PO - "Ten Wheel"

The first 3 numbers means, form first to third:
- number of wheel boogie before motorized wheels
- number of motorized boogies
- number of wheel boogie behind motorized wheels.

Some pictures of some models:

030 Mammouth


130 Mogul


230 Ten Wheel


140 Consolidation

(The coal tender is not original, it was replaced later)

232 Baltic


140 ALVF

(mainly used in WWI for artillery transport)

220 Outrance


221 Atlantic
A full page about the Atlantic There

230 G PO
Wikipedia page about this locomotive There

And to finish, a very good site with lot of other locomotive picture of this era: There


Edited by Rama (06/17/08 03:13 AM)

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#2533985 - 06/16/08 04:52 PM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Rama]
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Some more pictures
(From French railway museum)

An old one, which was still in use in 1914-1918 in mountaneous areas:

120 Parthenay


220 Nord "Outrance"



230 Nord "Ten Wheel"

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#2534138 - 06/16/08 09:21 PM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Laser]
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 Originally Posted By: Laser
[I don't know what "1435 gauge" means


Is it the width of the track or something like that?
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#2534173 - 06/17/08 01:39 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Rama]
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 Originally Posted By: Rama
I just did a short research (wiki and a few other sites) for the French steam locomotives used between 1914 and 1918.


Rama, please remove those pictures and just insert links, this thread has become illegible because of them. (Too wide)

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#2534174 - 06/17/08 01:47 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: =FB=VikS]
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 Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
Looking for information on WWI antante


Dear Viks,

It is not spelled "antante" but ENTENTE (the French word for "Understanding", pronounced more or less as you spell it).

I have seen that mis-spelled word a few times now in KotS material and it is really necessary to correct it, it looks terrible!

You can make the technically best sim in the world, but if there are embarrassing spelling mistakes in it, it will just undermine the the whole professional look you are striving for. Il-2 did that mistake, and that was why many people in the English-speaking world had a hard time taking it seriously. I REALLY hope you guys avoid the same mistakes. PLEASE use spelling software and PLEASE involve the community in ensuring good quality of the textas of the sim.

It is not great if your sim turns out to be involuntarily funny to a lot of people. suspension of disbelief goes out the window with bad or frequent spelling errors.

I know you guys are mostly geeks and computer nerds. And on top of that, you're mostly non-native speakers of English. You maybe do not attach as much importance to texts as "humanistic geeks" like myself. But it will be a very bad idea to neglect the area. So, please have somebody focus on the texts in the sim!

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#2534188 - 06/17/08 02:43 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Smosh]
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 Originally Posted By: Smosh
 Originally Posted By: Laser
[I don't know what "1435 gauge" means


Is it the width of the track or something like that?


yes
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#2534190 - 06/17/08 02:45 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Freycinet]
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VikS knows this Freycinet, that first impressions matter and that words are all we have and he knows that he can send me the scripts and I will sub-edit them for free. We would ask him to correct our Russian without embarrassment wouldn't we

I asked an engineer friend VikS, a builder of locomotives: some notes on the rolling stock loans

Six feet = 1828.8mm

Railway Operating Division
A division of the British Army Royal Engineers, largely recruited from railway companies, which controlled and operated standard and narrow gauge railways behind British fronts in France, Belgium, Greece, Egypt and Russia during the First World War. Formed in 1915.

http://www.lner.info/locos/O/o4o5.shtml

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With World War 1, the Royal Engineers formed its Railway Operating Division ('ROD') which commenced operations in Continental Europe in February 1916.

The ROD originally intended to use French and Belgian locomotives, but both of these countries deliberately kept their locomotives away from the Front. [Ming's underline]


British locomotives were quickly conscripted, and early loans included a variety of engines from Britain's railways

http://www.experiencefestival.com/railway_operating_division


http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/GoodsLocos/Loco22.php
 Quote:
Twenty-six were sent to France to be used by the ROD in World War I, all being later returned so they probably did not go too near the trenches!


http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/GoodsLocos/ex015.php
 Quote:
A 17in ‘Coal Engine’ seen on service with the Railway Operating Division (ROD ) in France during the First World War: Soldiers pose with No.3408 at a suitable distance from the Western Front, sometime between 1914 and 1918.

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums...rt=#entry170877

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=5134475
Possible eye-witness

http://www.gcr-rollingstocktrust.co.uk/articles_output.asp?id=12&checkSource=sitemap
 Quote:
The Ministry of Munitions initially borrowed some 600 locomotives from British railways for use in the Royal Engineer's Railway Operating Division for war work, the majority of them heading overseas. As the war continued and the strain on these engines and the home railways in general began to take its toll, the Ministry decided to commence locomotive construction on its own behalf and selected for this purpose the Robinson 8K design. Thus did the class 8K become one of Britain's most numerous and famous locomotive classes through the additional 521 ROD built engines.

http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/m_in_260.htm
 Quote:
Great Western's maid of all work, the '4300' Mogul class, was first introduced in 1911
Eleven examples of the class were transported to France during World War I in the service of the Railway Operating Division of the British Army and these were 5319 - 5326 and 5328 - 5330.


http://www.theworkshops.qm.qld.gov.au/ed...et_20071212.pdf

 Quote:
In France during September 1917, there were 546 steam locomotives, 355 petrol locomotives, 4,322 wagons, 623 miles of track in operation and 210,808 tons of supplies were carried.


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#2534191 - 06/17/08 02:46 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Freycinet]
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 Originally Posted By: Freycinet
 Originally Posted By: =FB=VikS
Looking for information on WWI antante


Dear Viks,

It is not spelled "antante" but ENTENTE (the French word for "Understanding", pronounced more or less as you spell it).

I have seen that mis-spelled word a few times now in KotS material and it is really necessary to correct it, it looks terrible!

You can make the technically best sim in the world, but if there are embarrassing spelling mistakes in it, it will just undermine the the whole professional look you are striving for. Il-2 did that mistake, and that was why many people in the English-speaking world had a hard time taking it seriously. I REALLY hope you guys avoid the same mistakes. PLEASE use spelling software and PLEASE involve the community in ensuring good quality of the textas of the sim.

It is not great if your sim turns out to be involuntarily funny to a lot of people. suspension of disbelief goes out the window with bad or frequent spelling errors.

I know you guys are mostly geeks and computer nerds. And on top of that, you're mostly non-native speakers of English. You maybe do not attach as much importance to texts as "humanistic geeks" like myself. But it will be a very bad idea to neglect the area. So, please have somebody focus on the texts in the sim!


My bad, oftenly was somewhere but not in school during english lessons \:\)
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#2534194 - 06/17/08 02:52 AM Re: WE SEARCH INFORMATION! [Re: Ming_EAF19]
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 Originally Posted By: Ming_EAF19


I asked an engineer friend VikS, a builder of locomotives: some notes on the rolling stock loans

Six feet = 1828.8mm



six feet is an English one ;\)
1435mm is a mainly used in the world, and in the europe, also called "stephensonian"
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