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#2142199 - 02/19/07 02:30 PM
F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Hi guys. After reading through pages and pages of posts on other forums, and wrestling to get this game running in both XP and Vista, I thought I'd share my experiences, since for me the process was time-consuming and required troubleshooting. This is not meant to be a replacement for the TSH Add-On Installation Guide, but is meant to supplement it. Moderator's note: I have edited this post for clarity, correctness, and organization. - JoePlease note that this process requires the .NET framework. It is recommended that you utilize Windows Update to download all available versions of .NET and any applicable patches. What you'll need: A. A fresh install of F/A-18 from the CD.B. The following items, obtained at the TSH website:1.01F patchTSHv1F-18E Cockpit v2.0Objects Package Part 1 Ver 1.6Objects Pacakge Part 2 Ver 1.42TSHv2 (if you own Jane's F-15) TSHv3DirectXTweaker 2005.2 Beta 1KC. The latest updates to DirectX.DirectXTweaker requires at least the June 2006 update to the DirectX 9.0c runtime. It is best to just download the latest version available. You can do this here at the Microsoft website. Procedure1. Install F/A-18 from the CD. If you're running Vista, you'll need to run the install as an administrator. 2. Install the 1.01F patch from the TSH website. If you're running Vista, you'll need to run the install as an administrator. 3. Run the executable for TSHv1. I can't stress this enough, if you're running Vista, you'll need to run the program as an administrator. Right click on the executable and click "Run as Administrator." If you don't, your files will go into the black hole Vista has for files you try to write to places you aren't authorized to. 4. Run TSHv1 (as an administrator if you're in Vista!) click on the package button, and use the dialog box to find the cockpit zip file you just downloaded. 5. Repeat the above for the Objects Package Part 1 Ver 1.6 .zip file. 6. Repeat the above for the Objects Package Part 2 Ver 1.42 .zip file. 7. Check the boxes for Objects Package Part 1 v1.6, Objects Package Part 2 v1.42, and the F-18 Cockpit v2.0. Click Apply. 8. Install TSHv2 per the instructions in the TSHv2 readme. 9. Extract the contents of the TSHv3 archive to the FA-18 folder. 10. Navigate in Windows Explorer to your /FA-18 folder in Program Files. Right click on the F18.exe executable, and click properties. Go to the compatibility tab, and set it to Windows 2000 compatibility mode. If you're in Vista, check "Run this program as an administrator." 11. Run the DirectX update process if you have not yet done so. 12. Extract the contents of the DirectXTweaker zip to a folder called DXTweaker inside your FA-18 directory. If you're in Vista, right click the DXTControl.exe executable you extracted, click properties, go to compatibility, and check "Run as an Administrator." 13. Run the DXTControl.exe executable. If you're in Vista, and the window looks all black, you may have to close it, turn off Aero. (right click on the desktop, click personalize, click classic appearance properties, click windows classic, and click apply. Don't worry, you can turn Aero back on when we're done here.) 14. Click the New button. Click on the ellipsis by the Path box, and find your F18.exe executable in your FA-18 folder. 15. On the DirectX 9 tab, all boxes should be checked and the drop-down box should say "Default". On the DirectX 8 tab, make sure the box is checked. Same for the legacy tab. On the Options tab, Forward Hook should be checked. The other two boxes should NOT be checked. 16. Click on "Modules to load." Scroll down to and click on "Present Changer." Check the box next to "Present Changer." 17. Leave Width, Height, and Count blank. Format should read A8R8G8B8. Z-Buffer should read "Application." Type should read Application. Quality should be blank, as should Refresh Rate. Set V-Sync to "Off" and Swap to "Application." 18. Go back up to Projects, and click start. Congratulations! You should be able to enjoy FA-18 with a res of up to 1600x1200 and no lag when using AA and switching to Air-to-Air master mode! Let me know if you encounter any problems, as I easily may have missed something.
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#2142675 - 02/20/07 08:36 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: MikeRoz]
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Thanks Mike, very helpful. I have one (major) issue. You say (paraphrasing at some points) Install of F/A-18 from the CD, patch to 1.01F, install TSHv1.
Now extract the contents of the TSHv3 archive to the FA-18 folder.
Run TSHv1, and Apply the following packages: Objects Package Part 1 v1.6, Objects Package Part 2 (any version), F-18 Cockpit V2.0, and TSH Hi-Res patch V1.2. This is incorrect. The process you just described has overwritten the TSHv3 executable, which is Bad. You should not Apply the TSHv1 Hi-res package, regardless of whether or not you do so before or after you install TSHv3. You should particularly not do if after, because the TSHv1 Hi-res package contains its own executable. Applying this package overwrites the existing executable, and if that executable is the TSHv3 executable, that's not good. TSHv3 provides the ability to select all of the resolutions that were available in any version of the TSHv1 Hi-res patch and then some (even higher than 1600x1200). Go check your install and cross-reference it to the TSHv3 Manual. Following the procedure you have posted, I bet a lot of the TSHv3 functionality doesn't work.
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#2143478 - 02/21/07 07:35 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Fixed. Sorry about that - I really haven't had a chance to use any of the TSH features yet besides the higher resolutions.
This isn't meant as a replacement for the TSH install guide - I'm just throwing out there the process by which I got rid of the banding and slowdowns. Finally!  Really looking forward to use 4*AA. Great work! But does the HUD symbols still get “blurry”? And if so, what’s the best resolution to use with 4*AA on a 19” CRT?
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#2144257 - 02/22/07 06:40 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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And it works beautifully
The only glitches I found are on the water, long black narrow lines. The “external (F8) view: The jet seems to “jump” just a little from side to side for the first second. Occasional freezing of the application when using the mission builder. I simply start FA-18E from the original shortcut and build missions there. I got one occasion of freezing here also, so I’m not sure if this maybe is a general bug in XP/FA-18E?
And: The HUD “fonts” isn’t blurry at all with 4*AA. (1280*960) with “Large fonts in HUD” activated.
I love this tweak, and I’ll be flying FA-18E a lot more from now on.
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#2144307 - 02/22/07 07:44 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Not a big show stopper, but (for quite a while now with DXTweaker), keeps crashing the application on instant action. Oh well, I just play the single missions and campaign then.
Thanks to MikeRoz for refreshing these tweaks and updating them for Vista.
Edited by Bib4Tuna (02/22/07 07:13 PM)
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#2162541 - 03/18/07 05:10 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: MikeRoz]
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Mike, First and foremost, thank you very much for the upgrades. I appreciate the work that went into this. I have one problem I hope you can help with. I use the Saitek x-45 contoller. There is a LONG lag between a joystick keypress and the function being performed. I ran the DXT controller, and that seemed to go well, but I still have the lag. I wonder if the problem is in the Juni update. It downloaded and unzipped to the f18 folder. However, I couldn't open it to run it, as I can't find it! Basically, I'm asking I need to do something with Juni, or does it autorun when you unzip it. If I do have to do something, what do I do and how do I find it? If not, then do you have any ideas? Again, thank you very much for the work that went into this. Joe
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#2164558 - 03/20/07 12:59 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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but it is possible to install also the iraq paq?
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#2175604 - 04/03/07 06:31 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe Airwolf]
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New TSHv3 commands are described on this page, with SW_VIEW at the bottom. As you have read, all of these commands (with the exception of the CMDS_MODE command) are found in the "Filter Graphics" section of the custom keymapper. It is normal for TEXTURE_TRANSITION to not appear on the list when TSHv3 is installed; this command was removed in TSHv3. If you want to change the texture transition setting, you can do so in the game options, but not in-flight. SW_VIEW, however, should be there. You say the "Filter Graphics" option are "the one with the eye", but that's not true - "Filter Graphics" is the cube icon. Try there.  You don't need TSHv1 wideview applied, although if it's already applied and you've installed TSHv3, don't mess with it. The TSHv1 installer on your desktop is only a shortcut and can be removed at any time.
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#2176350 - 04/04/07 03:29 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe]
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Joe, Making progress...I found Texture_Transition "in the cube", but not SW_View. Is it possible I'm not in tshv3,despite that intro window I get right before entering the missions? Anyway, I mapped Texture_Transition to control+F1, and saved the keyboard layout as a custom. That narrowed the fov to just the instrument panel and forward sky, so the mfds , warning lights are somewhat clearer. Hitting Cntr+f1 now switches between that view and just a close up of the HUD.However, both views are still in the "virtual view" mode(mfds, etc. not focused) and I also noticed the mpcd moving map doesn't work. Thanks again
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#2176443 - 04/04/07 07:27 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe Airwolf]
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Joe, Making progress...I found Texture_Transition "in the cube", but not SW_View. Is it possible I'm not in tshv3,despite that intro window I get right before entering the missions? Sounds like you may have overwrote something (prehaps F18.exe) along the way. In any event, you don't have TSHv3 proprely installed because the TEXTURE_TRANSITION command would not be present if you did. I suggest downloading the full version of TSHv3.04 (bottom of the page). This is the latest version of TSHv3. Or even better, you could try a clean install, following the Add-On Installtion Guide. However, both views are still in the "virtual view" mode(mfds, etc. not focused) Jane's F-18 only has a 3D cockpit, which is what I think you mean by "virtual view". There is no fixed 2D cockpit view like many other sims have. What resolution are you using? The lower the res, the muddier things look. and I also noticed the mpcd moving map doesn't work. I doubt something is wrong with your game in this case. Try pressing the MAP button on the HSI MDI page (PB6). 
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#2191869 - 04/25/07 08:20 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe Airwolf]
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Hi guys, I just tried the DXTweaker as described above in the first post, however I have some issues. I have a GeForce 6600 and running XP. When I run as described with DXTweaker the Jane's video and all the videos in the campaigns are upside down and very blocky: Furthermore, the TSH video which comes on after the Jane's one on startup is upside down but NOT blocky: Everything else in the game *seems* to run fine... However, when I exit the game I get these errors: Initially I thought this could have something to do with running F18 under Win98-ME compatibility (I run under this compatibility otherwise I cannot hear all sound in the game), but when I tried running f18 undeer Win2000 compatibility mode with DXTweaker all the videos were the right way up BUT looked like this: And the same error messages appeared after exiting the game. Could this have anything to do with resolution issues? My desktop resolution is 1280x1024, TSH manager setting is set to "Same as desktop", and my in game resolution setting, under graphics/drivers is 1024x768. Any other advice or comments appreciated...  Martin.
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#2192079 - 04/25/07 12:48 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Which workaround for the AA slowdown do you use Joe? Do you use DXTweaker? How slow is the slowdown anyway? When I go to AA mode FPS drops but not below 20. Is this slow compared to others'? Also what are 30.xx or 40.xx series detonators? Are these drivers? 
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#2193592 - 04/27/07 07:11 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Which workaround for the AA slowdown do you use Joe? Do you use DXTweaker? None right now - too much hassle. How slow is the slowdown anyway? When I go to AA mode FPS drops but not below 20. Is this slow compared to others'? Depends on your hardware. On my old 9800 it was about 5 FPS. With a 6800GT it was about 15, and with my 7900GT I think it's about 17 or 18, although I can't really remember. Also what are 30.xx or 40.xx series detonators? Are these drivers? Yes, detonators are the name for nVidia drivers. Those versions are quite old at this point and don't support any modern cards.
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#2202639 - 05/03/07 10:27 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe]
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Thanks Joe,
I think I'll just leave as is for the moment, and monitor FPS in AA [concentrating on AG at the moment...]. 20 FPS doesn't *seem* that bad at the moment.
Martin.
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#2208045 - 05/10/07 08:14 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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#2208578 - 05/10/07 09:16 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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#2208609 - 05/10/07 10:33 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe]
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#2209362 - 05/11/07 07:14 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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After following the procedure laid out I'm encountering a difference in the format of the DXTweaker (Beta1J) where I see no Directx9 or Directx8 tabs (see pic). Any ideas. Thanks  System: XP Prof SP2 ATI Cat 7.3 ATI x1950 512 E6600
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#2228879 - 06/06/07 05:56 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Followed the instructions posted by MikeRoz in the initial post for DxTweaker 2005.2 Beta 1K.
When I got here: "Run the DXTControl.exe executable," I got this:
The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135). Click on OK to terminate the application.
Rebooted and attempted to run it in various compatibility modes with the same result.
Can I get DxTweaker from another source and try it again, or does it have to be this exact version to fix F/A-18?
WinXP Pro NVDIA 6800 GS/XT 256MB Forceware 158.27 P4 3.0 GHz
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Did you run the Juni update first?
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#2229212 - 06/06/07 01:58 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Followed the instructions posted by MikeRoz in the initial post for DxTweaker 2005.2 Beta 1K. As per those instructions, yes, I did. Thanks for asking. Have a nice day.
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#2390658 - 11/30/07 08:05 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe]
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Do you have to run DirectXTweaker every time you fly or just once?
Also how much AA can JF-18 handle?
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#2422915 - 01/15/08 05:46 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe]
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Hello... Thx for a grate fix! Since im just in my begining of learning this sim ive just been trying a few missions.
In the Take off training mission If i strafe the parked jets my computer freese
explotions causes CTD also ?? any ideas`?
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#2434121 - 01/28/08 12:46 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe]
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Hello Joe: I have installed everything for TSH as indicated on the TSH site. I have an nvidia 8800 with 169.75 drivers.Running tweaker with recommended settings. I have an issue when i use the HI RES package: see pic- banding is present, and the HUD AA ASEC circle is all over the screen (dots)  FPS is good, and AA mode fps is acceptable. I would like to run it in hi- res, any ideas? thx- Vexx
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#2511186 - 05/09/08 12:43 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Joe]
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Guys, what does this mean:
"15. On the DirectX 9 tab, all boxes should be checked and the drop-down box should say "Default". On the DirectX 8 tab, make sure the box is checked. Same for the legacy tab. On the Options tab, Forward Hook should be checked. The other two boxes should NOT be checked."
I DL'd DirectXTweaker, dropped it in my Jane's F-18 folder, but I don't see any DirectX 9 or similar tab in the program.
Thanks for any help. The air-to-air lag and jerkiness are killing the sim for me. Does anyone have any other ideas about fixing that problem? I'm using XP SP2.
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#2511344 - 05/09/08 05:11 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
[Re: Devas]
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Thanks Devas, I must have downloaded the wrong version!
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#2511548 - 05/10/08 05:03 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Just to be clear: The beta K version of DXTweaker is the one we should be using with Jane's FA-18, right? Not J or I?
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#2636404 - 12/17/08 09:46 PM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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Hi, I have the DXTweaker it can be found in the 1 Click Installer.. That seemed to of solved my A-A slowdown when 3D glasses are On. I did NOT experience the Slowdown in Normal mode only when activating my ED 3D Glasses.. I now have a 100% working JF/A-18 Simulation and in 3D.. Heck even after a few years I was still able to land on the Carrier what a great Sim THNX ALL 
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#2652863 - 01/15/09 03:39 AM
Re: F-18 with no banding/AA slowdowns, XP and Vista!
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RE: 175.16 nvidia drivers, 8800 GTS, Vista 32-bit.
It might have been something else I've done inadvertently, but I think it's this latest version of the drivers. I am now able to run with DX Tweaker (I'm using the j version) with no banding, anti-aliasing, no AA slowdown; i.e. it's all good. Previously I was getting the awful banding.
So these may be worth a try for others with similar setup / problems.
Hi Hippo. Im verana. your solution did work for my PC too. 8800GT XPSP3 32bit 175.16 with DX tweaker J version. thankyou for the information. byebye.
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