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#2091365 - 07/13/06 09:51 PM newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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hi, i am newbie in this area, but recently i read some reports in some game websites, so decided to give it a try: but which game should I try? Falcon 4 allied force or lock on modern air combat? how would you compared both games in terms of:

1. gameplay
a. realism
b. fun factor
c. control and learning curve
d. AI

2. graphics

3. sound and music

4. value and replayablity

5. amount of fans, mods in each games

6. multiplayer aspect: enough servers and people for play? intense action?

Many thanks!

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#2091366 - 07/13/06 09:59 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Do a search in these forums regarding the "Falcon vs LOMAC" issue. You will find this issue to have been debated to death. Read through the thread and form your opinions.

Personally, I think you should get both.

#2091367 - 07/13/06 10:00 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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This is flame bait waiting to happen, no offense.

Way I figure it, if you want avionics and a dynamic campaign, go Falcon. If you want flight modeling, graphics, and those damned sexy Sukhoi aircraft, get Lock-on.


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#2091368 - 07/13/06 10:54 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Well looks like you posted here too so i guess you will get both sides of the view. Again, i will say both are great. however, i prefer the original Falcon with FF3 rather than AF. And i love Lock On. Just my 2 cents. And creating this many threads about it, you will get a lot of flamed threads. This topic has been done to death several times, and the conclusion was both were great.

#2091369 - 07/13/06 11:38 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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For the low price you will pay for each of them, don't be cheap - get both (I doubt you will regret it), then draw your own conclusions.....


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#2091370 - 07/13/06 11:40 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Buy 'em both. They're cheap and you'll find something you like about each of them.

#2091371 - 07/13/06 11:59 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Another consideration is simply the fact that you can't fly the F-15, A-10 and Russian aircraft in F4AF (at least not with proper cockpits, etc.) and you can't fly the F-16 in LOMAC. Keep in mind, though, you will absolutely want the Flaming Cliffs add-on. LOMAC is not really complete without it. (I can't believe I'm saying this..... \:\) )

They are two total different sims that really cannot be compared. Classic apples and oranges.

Both will give you hours of enjoyment.

For any serious flight sim fan they are both "must haves" IMHO.


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#2091372 - 07/14/06 12:34 AM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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another 'buy them both' vote.
but especially buy lockon if you like helos...cause Black Shark is coming! (Soon hopefully)

#2091373 - 07/14/06 03:40 AM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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I've read the responses to this post in several forums, and I must say, I'm impressed with the responses. No flaming going on, and both points of view represented, IMHO. Kinda makes you proud to be a simmer!

Each title has its strengths and weaknesses. For me, I like the graphics of Lomac, but F4AF has stronger ATC/Comms, if you're into that sort of realism factor. It adds a dimension for me, but I know some would just want to get into the fray, and that's ok too. Just personal preference.

Along with the other factors mentioned, you might consider your computer system. While F4AF is pretty demanding, Lomac is very demanding (although there are some tweaks out there that can help).

Can't go wrong with either or both if you want to experience some flight simming!

#2091374 - 07/14/06 01:23 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Quote:
Originally posted by herolaw:
hi, i am newbie in this area, but recently i read some reports in some game websites, so decided to give it a try: but which game should I try? Falcon 4 allied force or lock on modern air combat? how would you compared both games in terms of:

1. gameplay
F4AF has a much higher learning curve so it takes a while to get into it.

LOMAC missions are hand crafted so have potential to be more interesting than the F4AF ones.

The big thing about F4AF is it's realtime war. This gives unlimited replayability and zero effort.

LOMAC has more aircraft and is more suited to head to head, Falcon is suited to co-op.

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a. realism
well they both simulate different aircraft.

Avionics fidelity in Falcon is far ahead, though black shark looks to at least approach it.

Air operations fidelity (ATC, Refueling, AWACS, FAC) goes to Falcon.

Flight modelling fidelity goes to LOMAC.

Weapons fidelity goes to Falcon.

Warzone fidelity goes to Falcon.

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b. fun factor
I'd say LOMAC's fun is much more accessible. Takes a lot more work to get fun out of Falcon - but a lot of satisfaction.

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c. control and learning curve
not sure what you mean by control but F4AF's learning curve is STEEP.

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d. AI
Both have problems. One big difference is 'awareness' of the AI in F4AF is limited to what it should know about through sensors or other information sources rather than being aware of everything.

The AI in F4AF is also capable of performing more specialised tasks.

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2. graphics
not even a comparison here, LOMAC blows F4AF away.

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3. sound and music
not much in the way of music. sound is good in both.

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4. value and replayablity
You can grab both cheaply. Replayability Falcon by far. The unlimited replayability that requires zero effort by anyone provided by the realtime campaign system gives you content that never runs out.

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5. amount of fans, mods in each games
Going by the forum activity the Falcon community is HUGE, but it has had many more years to grow.

There's not much in the way of Modifications for F4AF - LP learnt from the mess of incompatibility the community made from open Falcon4 modding. F4AF IS open to modding, but requires modders to work with LP to ensure compatibility and that future patches don't break the mods.

There's a lot of graphical Mods for LOMAC.

Neither have modifications that do much in the way of creating new gameplay.

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6. multiplayer aspect: enough servers and people for play? intense action?
Activity for both is a bit sparse outside of virtual squads with a handful of populated servers online for either.

LOMAC is definitely more action oriented.

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Many thanks!


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#2091375 - 07/14/06 03:01 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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oh, i'd like to add to #6.

F4AF has multiple multiplayer modes - Furball, Match Play, Tactical engagments (equivalent to LOMAC's mission type) though F4AF can handle an order of magnitude more AI entities, and the Realtime Campaign.


What WW2 Fighter pilots say about Angels and Airspeed:

"Nice job of getting down to the basics - love your choice of a cover!" Col. Clarence 'Bud' Anderson

"I have enjoyed reading angels and airspeed, it should prove good reading for all interested in combat tactics and their application related to the fluid air environment and state of technology in WWII years. All the best as you make it available." - Col. Charles McGee - Tuskegee Airman

NEVER ENGAGE STUPID.
#2091376 - 07/14/06 06:46 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Herolaw, there's something for everyone in both sims. I have both on my rig. I'm not going to get into the "this is better than that" argument because it's childish. One sim does some things better and vice versa.

If you have $50 to spend you can get both, and you'll be happy you took my advice. \:D Thank me later after you've flown some sorties.

#2091377 - 07/16/06 12:34 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Quote:
Originally posted by ruggbutt:
I'm not going to get into the "this is better than that" argument because it's childish.
What a cop out.

The debate is far from dead and is always good sport.

It all boils down to hardcore versus medium core fidelity.



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#2091378 - 07/16/06 02:59 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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It all boils down to what's fun for whom. You value high fidelity of avionics over everything else?

Good on you.

I like my environment to be better looking - I played F4AF quite a bit, and ... it's not the one that stayed on my HDD. Yay, buttonpushing. Whoopiddidoo ;\) I get to push buttons in BS all day long! And it's -still- more exciting than Flacon.

For me anyway - and frankly I don't blame people for choosing one sim or the other, I don't really care - I just care about what's fun for -me-.


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#2091379 - 07/16/06 03:48 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Quote:
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The debate is far from dead and is always good sport.
So good sport is an argument? Ask on an F4 forums, the answer is 180 degress different than on the LOMAC forum.
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It all boils down to hardcore versus medium core fidelity.
I have a buddy who is an F16 pilot. I've already reported here once what he had to say about flight models and overall feel between the two. Do a search if you wanna know what a current instructor pilot at the primary F16 training base in this country has to say. \:D

#2091380 - 07/16/06 05:05 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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It all boils down to what's fun for whom. You value high fidelity of avionics over everything else?

Good on you.

I like my environment to be better looking - I played F4AF quite a bit, and ... it's not the one that stayed on my HDD. Yay, buttonpushing. Whoopiddidoo ;\) I get to push buttons in BS all day long! And it's -still- more exciting than Flacon.

For me anyway - and frankly I don't blame people for choosing one sim or the other, I don't really care - I just care about what's fun for -me-.
Not to mention the fact that in LOCKON, one gets to choose from several very different aircraft to fly. Don't care for the F-16? Great, go fly the F-15 in LOMAC. Want to do some ground pounding on the NATO side? Fantastic, go fly the A-10. Then of course there is the Mig-29A, Mig-29S, Su-27, Su-33, Su-25 and Su-25T.

Oh..and yeah, a kickass helicoper coming soon.

Like I said before Herolaw, get both. That way your experience in flight simming with a multitude of aircraft and avionics will be quite deep and fullfilling. Always something to switch to when you've had enough of one particular aircraft or theater.

#2091381 - 07/16/06 05:08 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Quote:
Originally posted by ruggbutt:
I have a buddy who is an F16 pilot. I've already reported here once what he had to say about flight models and overall feel between the two. Do a search if you wanna know what a current instructor pilot at the primary F16 training base in this country has to say. \:D
What, Hammer actually acknowledging a real expert on the matter? LMFAO! That will be the day. \:D

#2091382 - 07/16/06 05:35 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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quote:
Originally posted by enigma6584:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ruggbutt:
[qb]What, Hammer actually acknowledging a real expert on the matter? LMFAO! That will be the day.


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#2091383 - 07/16/06 05:38 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Quote:
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Not to mention the fact that in LOCKON, one gets to choose from several very different aircraft to fly.
Irrelevant: LOMAC is a survey sim, Falcon a study sim. Being a survey sim by definition will be of liter fair with respect to avionics and weaponeering fidelity.



Now I'm leaving before the inevitable thread lock.


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#2091384 - 07/16/06 06:25 PM Re: newbie FAQ: F4AF VS LOMAC  
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Quote:
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LOMAC had a slight edge in FMs in the past but that point, post-AF, is no longer valid.
Says who? Just last week I missed my ride in the Aces head to head simulator at Luke AFB. I was caught in traffic. (I'll get on it though, it's great to have contacts.) One of my squaddies flew with a Colonel from the base. He went home and installed F4. He told me the F15 handles like the F16 simulator, the real one. I'd hazard a guess that to make a comparison that you'd at least want to have some real world experience in a military simulator. After all, they're supposed to handle like the real plane.

As for my pilot friend, he's been in my "cockpit" and his comments were similar to my squaddie's. Now we can lock the thread cuz I have a feeling someone is gonna argue the point...................

What we all should be doing is supporting the sim community instead of dividing it. LOMAC and F4 are both great sims and (once again I reiterate) there's something for everyone. I understand for the most part I'm preaching to the choir here.

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