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#2089225 - 03/05/06 01:35 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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How come i see no weapons on that Cobra??? LOL I'd love to fly it, I dont remember a decent game that models the Cobra in a while, I may have missed one, but the last one that I remember was Gunship 2000 WAY back in the day...LOL

The screens look great, cant wait to throw BS on my HDD \:D
For whatever reason, whoever took the shot didn't load the Cobra. In the LOBS, the AH-1W can be loaded with TOW, Hellfire and rockets with the ability to create mixed loads.

The Cobra shots were included to show one of several new and upgraded AI vehicles to be included in LOBS. To read anything more into it is just silly and disappointing.

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#2089226 - 03/05/06 02:19 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Never said I WAS reading anything into it, just stated that I'd like to fly the Cobra. Never said that it should be flyable in LOBS, Fun as it would be, the model looks great. Just saying that I havent seen any games in a while that allowed this. Its always the Apache, or the like, never the simple yet Ruged Cobra.


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#2089227 - 03/05/06 02:24 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Navy, I was not referring to you; I was referring to another poster's comments.

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#2089228 - 03/05/06 02:29 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Ohh well......Aaaaaaaaaaaaal Righty then \:D


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#2089229 - 03/05/06 02:43 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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It all goes to prove what we really need is a good American or British developer to get back into flight sims . . . maybe when I earn my first 10 million . . .

#2089230 - 03/05/06 05:27 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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It all goes to prove what we really need is a good American or British developer to get back into flight sims . . . maybe when I earn my first 10 million . . .
I don't think anyone can disagree with that. Its tragic when you think af all those flight sim dev teams from the past that have split now. All that experience wasted.


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#2089231 - 03/05/06 05:52 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Don't down the terrain just yet. I thought that it wasn't suitable for low level slow flight, too.

I think I can say, without compromising the NDA, that I now think that I was quite wrong about that.

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#2089232 - 03/06/06 05:06 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Swampthing - what you have to remember is that the main target audience for Black Shark is Russians Simmers and they will prefer the Ka-50 in a Moscow minute.

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Oh i know, i'm constantly reminded that this is a russian sim every time i force myself to play it. It's their choice i guess for wanting to sell less than 10,000 copies rather than actually having a marketable product in the western world. Yeah yeah i know dead horse argument, but it doesn't change the fact that it still pulls my chain everytime i see them post a nice picture of a cobra or apache and i have to wallow in the fact that i can't fly it and have to fly some russian turd instead.

It's funny because in alot of ways this "helo sim" will be a huge step backwards. LB2 had better terrain and had a 2 seat option. apache/havoc had better terrain and cities and docks. Even the SAR series had better terrain.

I'm guessing those that are saying the terrain is ok are primarly jet or ww2 fighter plane pilots and don't fly many helo sims. The terrain there is flat, ok, so your saying there are NO gullies or even small hills you can fly behind in a helo that it's all pure flat and then just straight up to huge polygon triangle mountains?

Some of my favorite times were in EECH and longbow, hiding behind hillcrests or treelines and blasting some tanks or whatever. Doesn't look to be a possibility in this game if they aren't updating the terrain at all. And yes, one of the first things that was said when this was announced, right after everyone moaned about it being the ka50 and not an apache was that the terrain sucked for helo's. Quite a few people at the time said they were updating it, if you go back far enough and read threads you'll see this.

#2089233 - 03/06/06 06:16 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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It's funny because in alot of ways this "helo sim" will be a huge step backwards. LB2 had better terrain and had a 2 seat option. apache/havoc had better terrain and cities and docks. Even the SAR series had better terrain.
Do you even own Lock On?

I loved LB2 and can't comment on A-H or SAR but does this terrain look flat and featureless? ...


#2089234 - 03/06/06 06:53 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Agree with Shepski, the terrain is not all flat. Here are a few more screenies to prove it:





There are parts of Crimea which are flat, and a lot of the Caucasus(sp?) is hilly. To it depends on what terrain you are flying over. And if it sucks to fly a helo over flat terrain, tell that to the boys in the Marines/Army flying Helos over the flat desert terrain in Iraq. A sand dune doesn't hide a Apache, but you got to play the hand that you are dealt.


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#2089235 - 03/06/06 07:00 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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The mesh resolution in LOMAC is worse than EECH but not by that much. OTOH LOMAC has vastly more ground objects to hide behind than any helo sim and very convincing visible range.

It should work ok IMHO, as I said the mesh isn't THAT bad.

#2089236 - 03/07/06 12:35 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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i dont want to be cinicanl but what objects to hide behinds, the building and houses are not tall enough and most houses are too close for a chopper to pass trhough them. i just will wait till theres a demo or everyoners review or rant after buying it.
i'm still very skceptical.

#2089237 - 03/07/06 12:45 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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are they modeling ground troops? it would good to do some manslaughter....

#2089238 - 03/07/06 01:19 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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I've heard something about the trees getting replaced, unfortunaly i couldn't find the thread about it.

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#2089239 - 03/07/06 01:20 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Attack heilcopters normally hide behind ridges and use trees for masking, not houses.

#2089240 - 03/07/06 03:11 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Originally posted by swampthng:
When i first heard of this expansion, the FIRST thing i said was you gotta be kidding the terrain isn't suited for a helo sim as it looks like crap down low. I remember everyone saying that they will be upgrading it.

It's really disconcerting to see this far into development that it's STILL the same, crappy, basic, not good for helo's terrain.

I gotta say it also really sucks to see them doing screenshots of the cobra, basically rubbing it in our face that it isn't flyable when i think a large majority of the flight simming community would take the cobra in a new york minute over the black shark.

I will say for sure that if the terrain isn't upgraded, that's a no sell point immediately. Lock on's terrain just is NOT suited for helo missions and terrain masking flight.
You really don't have lockon then, the terrain is more than good enough for a helo sim. As for the rubbing it in your face! Whats up with that?, my understanding is that ED is moving forward and expanding their capabilities to include helo sims as well as jets. And with fully modeled avionics etc. So maybe later on we might see a western helicopter such as an Apache.[likely in their next project] Its better that they continue the way they are going so that such flyables may one day be possible.

#2089241 - 03/07/06 08:05 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Another thing to remember--AFAIK, LOMAC 1.2 will have the largest map of any helo sim ever. Go back as far as you want, they all took place in a smaller flyable area. That means naturally it's easier to be more detailed. Fly an Su-27 in EECH or LB2 and you'll run out of map nearly as fast as you do in BF2!!

So while the overall level may not seem VASTLY improved over previous titles, the fact that you'll be able to fly a helo in a straight line and run low on fuel before running out of map is a definite step forward.

Anyway, I'm getting it despite its shortcomings since I find the positives outweigh the negatives.


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#2089242 - 03/07/06 10:22 PM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Another thing to remember--AFAIK, LOMAC 1.2 will have the largest map of any helo sim ever. Go back as far as you want, they all took place in a smaller flyable area. That means naturally it's easier to be more detailed. Fly an Su-27 in EECH or LB2 and you'll run out of map nearly as fast as you do in BF2!!

So while the overall level may not seem VASTLY improved over previous titles, the fact that you'll be able to fly a helo in a straight line and run low on fuel before running out of map is a definite step forward.
Very good point indeed!

#2089243 - 03/08/06 02:27 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Oh and guys, don't forget that it is planned to expand the terrain also, in the future....

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#2089244 - 03/08/06 03:05 AM Re: New Black Shark Screenshots  
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Originally posted by swampthng:
Yeah yeah i know dead horse argument, but it doesn't change the fact that it still pulls my chain everytime i see them post a nice picture of a cobra or apache and i have to wallow in the fact that i can't fly it and have to fly some russian turd instead.
But it's a turd with clickable 6DOF!!

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