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#1760008 - 12/04/05 02:40 AM F4Glass  

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Hey, anyone using F4Glass on more than 2 monitors ? Matrox makes a PCI quad head card but Im wondering if that would work with my Geforce 6600 GT AGP ? The first question would be would F4Glass even allow 4 monitors connected on the same video card ? Any suggestions ?
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#1760009 - 12/04/05 05:46 AM Re: F4Glass  
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Contact LP first to make sure you can legally view it on more than one monitor.

#1760010 - 12/04/05 01:37 PM Re: F4Glass  
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Hi Bones,

F4Glass is a 'normal' windows app. All the instruments are individual windows which can be positioned anywhere on the desktop, across as many monitors your system supports, as long as those monitors span the desktop.

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#1760011 - 12/04/05 05:02 PM Re: F4Glass  

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Thanks Eagle, sounds good to me

#1760012 - 12/04/05 11:45 PM Re: F4Glass  
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I've given it a go on an old GeForce 4 Ti4800 and while the instruments displayed and updated ok, it really hammered my system. Falcon was unplayable while it was running... at least on my box anyway. I'm not sure that it's intended to be run on the same box that Falcon is running on. The readme talks about displaying the instruments on a network pc attached to the pc running falcon.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong. They look pretty cool on the second monitor!

#1760013 - 12/05/05 12:30 AM Re: F4Glass  
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Quote:
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I've given it a go on an old GeForce 4 Ti4800 and while the instruments displayed and updated ok, it really hammered my system. Falcon was unplayable while it was running... at least on my box anyway. I'm not sure that it's intended to be run on the same box that Falcon is running on. The readme talks about displaying the instruments on a network pc attached to the pc running falcon.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong. They look pretty cool on the second monitor!
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#1760014 - 12/05/05 01:56 AM Re: F4Glass  
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Yeah, for F4Glass to work well, you need to network it with a second computer. That's not saying that Erwins program isn't great though because it is well worth the trouble if you have a second computer laying around. Check out my cockpit at sapphire.indstate.edu/~medwards11/cockpit.htm

If LP would allow cockpit editing and allow more resolutions, I'd work more on the 1024x1536 2D cockpit that let people use one computer with 2 monitors.

#1760015 - 12/29/05 11:25 PM Re: F4Glass  
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Any idea what are the requirements for the client computer? I once ran some java-based dials for lock-on with my spare 233mhz laptop, and they stuttered badly..

#1760016 - 12/30/05 12:04 AM Re: F4Glass  

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what you want to do is take advantage of singular nvidia advantage. the truly unified driver.

you can run PCI graphics cards (like my two cherished dual-head Geforce2 PCI cards) and all of them will run on the same unified driver.

then using nvidia's acceleration settings and some knowhow. like from say the forums at http://www.multimon.com its pretty simple to run DirectX on one monitor while software rendering on others.

actually FS2000 had this functionality. its that oldschool.

#1760017 - 12/30/05 12:49 AM Re: F4Glass  
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Galwran,
F4Glass is fairly CPU intensive. I'm currently using a 1.3 Celeron which works fine, but I may be upgrading to a new 3.02 Celeron since I have a spare motherboard so I can run a falcon host the computer as well.

Quick,

How have you gotten two Nvidia cards to work together? I've always had problems on my F4Glass box with more than one Nvidia so I've always used ATI cards in it. Granted it was never a 2 PCI layout, it was always PCI/AGP.

#1760018 - 12/30/05 01:32 AM Re: F4Glass  
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Well I'll be danged-er-fied, I never knew about this F4Glass thingie!
How very cool.

I'm currently working on a "controller array" for FalconAF that my wife and I now refer to as "The" project, so my jaw is hanging limp at the moment...

Question: From the above links (nice job BTW Snake122) It seems like f4glass works only from an exterior cockpit view. Is this the case?

I spend most of my time in the virtual cockpit view w/ track IR running and it would be great to have a second small monitor with all the gages on it running at the same time.

Will it work like that?

#1760019 - 12/30/05 03:16 AM Re: F4Glass  
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No, it's not for only external. In fact I'm mostly in the 3D cockpit or HUD and MFD only views. Only time I'm really in 2D cockpit is to check that the gear is down and the gas because Erwin hasn't supported the fuel gauge yet.

#1760020 - 12/30/05 04:10 AM Re: F4Glass  
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Oh man... looks like "The Project" just put on a few pounds... Cool!

#1760021 - 12/30/05 09:56 AM Re: F4Glass  
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Quote:
Originally posted by Snake122:

F4Glass is fairly CPU intensive. I'm currently using a 1.3 Celeron which works fine, but I may be upgrading to a new 3.02 Celeron since I have a spare motherboard so I can run a falcon host the computer as well.
Ok. Luckily I have a spare 2500+ in my livingroom; now all I need is a WSO (preferably a female) to read the dials and tell them to me:P

#1760022 - 01/01/06 03:31 PM Re: F4Glass  
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Running on a single 3.4ghz intel hyperthreaded system with two monitors and one vcard.


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#1760023 - 01/01/06 09:26 PM Re: F4Glass  
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Great setup AV8R. Pretty effective that way.


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#1760024 - 01/01/06 11:19 PM Re: F4Glass  
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AV8R,

How much of a frame rate hit is running F4Glass?

Are you still running Falcon dual threaded?

What is the average instrument FPS with both running?

Do you have F4Glass refreshing on idle or timed?

Running one computer would always be the best way to do it if you have the horsepower but I've never gotten enough and I'd still have to get my Nvidia AGP card to play nice with another PCI card to support my three monitors

#1760025 - 01/09/06 03:21 AM Re: F4Glass  
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AV8R,

I've been doing some basic tests and I'm getting an almost 50% fps hit on my 3.0 P4 HT with F4Glass running with AF.

Is this typical for you as well?

#1760026 - 01/10/06 03:58 AM Re: F4Glass  
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Snake,

The developer really intended for the workload to be shared across multiple systems on a LAN, hence the Host/Client architecture. It was my brain fart to try to get them to work on one system.

There is a update field within the F4Glass GUI.
Slow it down, theres no need for the update to be fast. This greatly increases the FPS, as I too noticed what you did.

Its on the F4 Glass Cockpit Manager
under the COMMUNICATION tab, Timer section
UPDATE INTERVAL = 250 ms (on my system)

Note I have 1Gig Dual Channel RAM and a
fast NVidia 6800-OC video card with two outputs.

Hope that works for you too.


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#1760027 - 01/10/06 01:26 PM Re: F4Glass  
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AV8R,

Hehe yeah I know it runs better but right now my normal F4Glass box is broken \:\(

So you then 4 updates a second is sufficant for you? Did using the idle option help at all either? How much of a frame rate hit then.

I have a 3.0 ghz, 1Gig DC ram, and a Nvidia 5900xt, so mine's a little slower but not tons.

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