#1533177 - 12/15/04 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Marcantilan: And about the Invincible, the argie part of the story tells the attack to the carrier was made by a couple of SUE´s and 4 Skyhawks, and the ship was touched by the missile and 500 lb bombs. You could check the story in any argentinian web page about the war. But, as facts, note the invincible was the last ship to return and after an engine change in mid seas, suspicious, dont you think Hey, no flame war here. Looking forward to buy this sim!!!!!!!!!! [/QB] But wasn't the Invincible suffering from engine trouble on her way down to the South atlantic too?
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#1533178 - 12/15/04 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by Hot Meat Pie: So what made the Harrier so effective in destroying the Mirage and A4's? Was it the AIM 9L? Pilots? Tactics? From what I understand the Argies were excellent pilots.
HMP Probably the Blue Fox radar in the SHAR.
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#1533184 - 12/16/04 06:12 AM
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A non PD radar (i.e. Bluefox) is really hopeless in the look down or lo level role. The Cyrano radar in the Mirage III has/had much the same limitations. Lo level in the weeds pick up ranges are down to well less than 5nm. No matter how hard you try ground clutter invades the side lobes at these altitudes. a lot of manual fiddiling with gain and elevation controls is required to get a decent return, not conducive to ones well being whilst roaring around in cruddy wether at hi speed single pilot. Look up fine, but not many of the anti strike intercepts were look up ! Also Blind transmissions would serve the strikers well with any half decent RWRS system, A quick 30degree turn away from the RWR bearing in a hi speed low level attack will nullify most intercept geometries. The Sea Harrier not exactly renown for decent speed performance at low level, 2 tanks 2AIM9s! and 2 gun pods... bet it cant do more than 550Knots maybe tops out at 500 or so. Missile rmax being surprisngly small in this regime I think perhaps you are talking the Blue Fox radar up a bit Goanna
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#1533191 - 12/17/04 11:31 AM
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lifted from page 174 from the conversation between Sharkey and the Ferranti technician.
"First and foremost, Blue Fox is peforming well up to specification, we are still getting the same results as we got in early trials. 23 Miles is our expected contact range on Sea Harrier head-on. And on a Jumbo jet it is over 60 miles, as you and your team should know from our reports." It was difficult for John to swallow the contact ranges that we clamed. "I know thats what you have always stated, Sharkey, but our own Ferranti results only give a range on the SHAR of about 18 miles, 23 miles is a little hard to believe." "we can demonstrate that well enough , John, while you are here. You can talk to all the pilots on the subject and also witness actual results from the Ops room displays."
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#1533192 - 12/17/04 01:58 PM
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See http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/fa1.html for descriptions of combats from the UK perspective. Generally the SHARs were vectored on to intruders by the much more capable ship-borne radars whilst at high-level and probably only dropped to low-level (if needed) after contact was made or likely. Also the Mirages were withdrawn to protect the mainland following the Vulcan strikes. Cheers, Keith
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#1533194 - 12/18/04 12:14 AM
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Couple of Sea Fox contact reports from Sharkey's book,
3 T-34s, below at 6 miles, 20' right 2 Mirages, 10' high, 17 miles, 10 ' right
Both after GCI from a controller on a ship, so they knew where to look.
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"Two contacts [Canberras] ... at 24 miles ... on the deck"
They certainly believed the Blue Fox was superior to the Mirages radar.
But for JT I wouldnt mind if both were equivalent.
Cheers, Keith
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#1533195 - 12/18/04 01:41 AM
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Keith good numbers, In the Mirage case we are talking 10,000 foot look up. These numbers are consistent. Regarding the T34's again pretty consistent large RCS with a prop bit like a Helicopter also. And the Canberra again a big aeroplane. Though I am surprised at 24nm on the deck if its lookdown on the Sea Harriers part. All good numbers (other than the Canberra ones) and all closely agree with my experience V the SHAR Mirage Versus Canberra best Contact look up was around 15-17nm max
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