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#1407428 - 03/27/06 07:59 AM Repaints and Software...
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Well, I'm starting on my first repaint and it is not that hard to do the work it's more trying to understand how the software works.

At the present time I have to use 3 programs to get what I need done. I am trying out PSP10 but it is not as intuitive in certain areas. I also use a program called Photostudio 5 but it is only good for 24bit output. It is easier to repaint stuff in this program but I have to bring the finished texture into Photoshop 7 to convert it to 16 or 32 bit so it will work.

I think PSP10 can do it but I still am learning this program.

I wish there one one simple program that would work that was more intuitive.

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#1407429 - 03/27/06 08:34 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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PSP 10 is fine. First, get the updates to 10.03.

Also, customize your workarea before you even start. That's my recommendation.

PSP can do everything you need to do for FS9.
You will need the bitmap tools to convert textures to the DXT format.

Very easy. Post here if you need help with that.

I work in layers, and then separate the mask layer to a Greyscale BMP to import with the BMP tools. Different formats use:

8 bit, 4 bit and 2 bit masks
(256 shades of grey, 16 shades of gray, and Black/White).

Going the other way, I save as a TGA with alpha (32 bit usually).
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#1407430 - 03/27/06 09:10 PM Re: Repaints and Software...
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I finished my first repaint. Still have some minor things I want to fix but pretty good for the first time.

Taking off from Edwards AFB


Flying over the Edwards salt flats


Closeup of the body with the Arizona Wing CAF ID



Next will be our A-26 which will be fun.

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#1407431 - 03/28/06 06:11 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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that looks really nice. Are you sure thats your first repaint? ;-)

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#1407432 - 03/28/06 06:29 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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very nice work, the only thing I would suggest to do is add some weathering if you can?

Look at some pictures of oil streaks and try to do them as more layers.
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#1407433 - 03/28/06 07:20 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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We don't have weathering on our SNJ. It is cleaned after every flight and polished frequently. I'll get into weathering at a later date. I know how to do it but need a plane that has that first. Still learning.

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#1407434 - 03/28/06 10:50 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Ok. Rules:
When posting cool airplanes give a link! ;\)
And the repaint, please! \:\)
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#1407435 - 03/28/06 04:28 PM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Tolwyn,

What link do you want ?

Repaint is not ready yet. I still have some cleanup to do yet. The model can be gotten from AVSIM or Flightsim filename: cp-at6f.zip

I use different sounds that come from -----

====================================================================================================


FS2004 T-6 Harvard Sounds
by Doug Smith

This sound folder can be used in any T-6 Harvard aircraft for FS2004. It has an authentic "snarl" heard when the props exceed the speed of sound both from the cockpit, and outside the aircraft. I recorded the sound myself and incorporated it into the fabulous "Wasp" sound package by Jay "Farmboy" McDaniel. (fb_wasp_sound.zip)
Disappointed by the T6 sound packages available, I believe this sound package will give you the truest sound available and it is my pleasure to share with the Flightsim community.

Thank you FB for your fine editing.

Replace the "sound" folder in any T6 folder with this one, and alias all T6's to this folder.

Enjoy

D.Smith 11/2005

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These are the most realistic SNJ sounds yet.....

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#1407436 - 03/29/06 09:52 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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The plane, mainly. But your repaint, too when done. ;\)

What is the syntax in the sound.cfg for aliasing to another/different folder?
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#1407437 - 03/29/06 12:15 PM Re: Repaints and Software...
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I put all my sounds in the default directory along with panels. Here is my alias for sounds.

[fltsim]
alias=default\sound\AT6_1

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#1407438 - 03/29/06 04:21 PM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Ok, Tolwyn now I have some questions with PSP10.

Lets take a insignia you want to put on a plane. How do you get the area around it to be transparent so you can just paste in on the airplane ?

That is the biggest one right now. I spend lots of time editing the insignias and removing surronding colors I don't need.

The rest i have to learn on my own. It take awhile.

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#1407439 - 03/30/06 11:17 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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It depends upon the background.

Open in PSP10.
Promote to layer.
Use the magic wand tool with high(er) levels of tolerance to select and summarily delete the background.

Use anti-aliasing OUTSIDE the selection.

Delete background (sometimes piece by piece).

If you have trouble, email me the graphic, and I can do it for you. Save the graphic as a 32 bit TGA or a 24 bit PNG to preserve transparency.

Use export-->PNG for best results.
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#1407440 - 03/30/06 11:21 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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By the way, never edit the original. Open in PSP10 and Copy/Paste to new "working" image. ;\)
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#1407441 - 04/03/06 07:24 PM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Tolwyn,

Ok, now I need some other questions answered.

How do you do aluminum (what color do you use ?)

How do you get the shine with the alpha ? Is it automatic ?

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#1407442 - 04/03/06 09:31 PM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Bare aluminum is...well, it's something that tends to elude novice painters, if only because most of us are just trying to do basic painting instead of reading tutorials. However, there ARE several good tutorials out there, I thought I saw one the other night, I'll try to dig up a few for you...

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/forums/articles.php?action=viewarticle&artid=32

http://www.gjsmith.net/Tutorial/tutorials.htm

http://www.calclassic.com/repaint.htm
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#1407443 - 04/03/06 09:53 PM Re: Repaints and Software...
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#1407444 - 04/04/06 09:32 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Aluminum is generally tough because you have to "set in stone" the reflection.

Generally a gradient works well, with the sheen shifting to white where the natural light highlight is hitting the metal, and darker gray where the shadow of the cylindric body would naturally "have."

Like the round part of a fuselage or airframe. \:\)

Find a clean, non-labeled pop can. Take a picture of it (or a scuffed or buffered can of soup with the label gone). That should help you.

Now, the other thing is to include these "parts" in the mask so that FS9 can render the specular highlights (or whatever) as the "aircraft effect."

There are other planes in your inventory with aluminum. Check to see how they were done for guideance, too.

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Tolwyn,

Ok, now I need some other questions answered.

How do you do aluminum (what color do you use ?)

How do you get the shine with the alpha ? Is it automatic ?

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#1407445 - 04/05/06 05:37 PM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Tolwyn,

You're talking Greek to me. Haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Need more detailed instructions. First of all what bit depth do I need ? How many colors ? How do I add the Alpha ?

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#1407446 - 04/06/06 09:06 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Ahhh.
Ok.

Always "work in" 24bit color (16 million). Now, PSPX introduces new terminology. They call it 8bits per channel. There are 3 color channels (red, green, and blue). So, 8x3=24. Save your masters that you work on in either PSP's *.pspimage format, or photoshop's PSD format. This retains all the layers.

Your output format from any paint program should be TGA, 24 bit. The Mask Layer (sorry, I'll call it Mask Layer), should be BMP, Greyscale (256 shades of grey). Normally, you do NOT want to save as 32 bit TGA (which is the 24 bit image with the embedded 8 bit mask). This is because in the BMP tools, you specify the mask to use for a particular texture as a separate image file.

An Alpha Channel is a place where you can store selection data, masks, etc. So sorry for the confusion. You can store "masks" inside alpha channels. For FS2004 purposes, you will have a mask that is a separate image. It's like a digital pocket(s) of an image.

FS2004 supports images of different bit depths and some of those image formats support alpha channels that contain a mask.

This mask, again, depending upon the image format can be:


DXT1 = 2 bit (black or white)
DXT3 = 4 bit (16 shades of grey)
DXT5 = 8 bit (256 shades of grey)

All of these formats I believe are 16 bit color (16,384 colors)

Some of the 888 format BMP files can be 32 bit (24 bit RGB + 8 bit Mask)

Or, you can use a full-blown, uncompressed, big-ass 32bit BMP.

The different formats allow for faster texture loading at a cost of image quality (less bits per pixel for color representation); however, for the most part, the end user will NEVER even notice.

I assume you have FS2004's bmp tools? If not, please let me know. You absolutely need this to work in the texture formats that FS2004 supports. This program also generates mip-maps for you when you save, so that the further away the aircraft, it "shifts gears" to a lower resolution texture (MIP).

e.g.:
1024x1024 -> 512x512 -> 256x256 -> 128x128 -> 64x64 -> 32x32 -> 16x16 -> 1x1

7 mipmaps for a 1024x1024 image. Increases filesize, but is nominal.

These mips can be embedded in the extended BMP and usually is a good practice.

A Mask is a 256 greyscale image. Those 256 colors from white to black represent how much "shiny effect" (usually) is applied to the corresponding areas of your texture. Depending upon the model, those 256 shades of grey represent the opacity level of the texture. White being fully opaque, black being fully transparent.

Literally, it's like Digital Masking Tape. Hence the name "mask".


TIP:
Since you have to have a separate mask image the same size as your source texture, in PSPX, it was difficult for me to figure out how the heck to save the mask as a separate image.

The work around:

  • Drag the Mask Layer to a blank space in your work area to create a new image
  • Adjust this image to Greyscale
  • Fill the raster layer with BLACK
  • Merge all
  • Adjust Image -> Negative Image
  • Save as 8bit BMP
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#1407447 - 04/06/06 09:19 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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By the way...
You can embed the 256 mask into a 24 bit TGA, making a "32 bit TGA with Alpha".

The problem is the BMP tools I'm using for FS2004 never properly render the mask layer. It's always inverted. So, that's why I always recommend having your mask as a separate 256 color greyscale BMP.
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#1407448 - 04/06/06 09:26 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Hmm. My version of BMP tools is having difficulty saving a 32bit BMP. I'll try on another machine.
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#1407449 - 04/07/06 08:10 AM Re: Repaints and Software...
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Here are some other aircraft I have attempted to repaint. I'm learning as I go.

This is our Arizona Wing SNJ as it really looks.



This is a skin from a redesigned model of the F2H-2 that a friend of mine made. This represents the aircraft I was plane captain of when I was in the reserve at Alameda NAS



This is just a fooling around repaint of the A26 we all probably have. Just playing. This one had weathering it was interesting.



This is a CFS2 plane where I took the damage model and used the cloning tool to repaint from the damage model. The original did not have this repaint.



Things I still need to learn are....

How to create reflections and aluminum skins
How to do camo
How to do weathering

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