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#105266 - 02/21/05 09:27 AM Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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Intel just announced the new P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors. John Reynolds puts them through the paces in his comparison review here: http://www.simhq.com/_technology/technology_038a.html


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#105267 - 02/21/05 01:09 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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"At the end of the day, however, what matters most is performance, features, and reliability, and while Intel has improved the latter two SimHQ is left somewhat disappointed that the first CPU launch of 2005 is so lacking in the former."

Although I'm a long time Intel guy, the handwriting would seem to be on the wall.

#105268 - 02/21/05 03:49 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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Gaming = AMD. \:\)
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#105269 - 02/21/05 04:58 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  

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Gaming = AMD. \:\)
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Is that an impartial opinion? ;\)

#105270 - 02/21/05 05:05 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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hehehe.. I think benchmarks will support my opinion ! ;\)

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hehehe.. I think benchmarks will support my opinion ! ;\)

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#105272 - 02/21/05 11:29 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  

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Not enough gain for me from my P4 3.0ghz Northwood. I'll get a much bigger gain in performance by getting one of the top dog video cards instead.

#105273 - 02/22/05 03:02 AM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  

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hehehe.. I think benchmarks will support my opinion ! ;\)

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Oh I completely agree, I don't even remember the last time I had intel in my system. Just kidding around with you. \:\)

#105274 - 02/22/05 03:22 AM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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Gaming = AMD. \:\)
Bubba
There speaks AMD (official ;\) ) PR.
Right though. \:D


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#105275 - 02/22/05 03:02 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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OK, so what high end AMD proc/mobo should I go for in the June timeframe Buff/Bubba/Allen/John/et al?

LOMAC v1.1 stellar performance in mind.

#105276 - 02/22/05 03:36 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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OK, so what high end AMD proc/mobo should I go for in the June timeframe Buff/Bubba/Allen/John/et al?

LOMAC v1.1 stellar performance in mind.
Athlon 64 3700+(?) Stepping E (? the stepping with SSE3 instructions) socket 939 90nm. Scheduled for Q2/05. Link to schedule:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2303

Abit Fatal1ty AN8 NForce 4 motherboard (PCI-E graphics). Link follows:

http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/products.php?categories=1&model=262

CORSAIR XMS, Xtra-Low Latency 2-2-2-5, 184-Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200, Model TWINX1024-3200XLPRO - Retail $282 overclocks to 2-3-2-6 at 470MHz per TomsHardware.

PCP&C High-Performance 510 ATX SLI with PFC $239. Quiet but keeps its power rating at high ambient temperature (unlike other supplies) dual (SLI) PCI-E graphics card power connectors (future proof). Link:

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/power_supplies/highperformance/turbocools/510/index.htm

Antec P160 with clear side panel (extra fan) – top rated Anandtech


These items are the ones currently featured on my "to buy" list -- along with Windows XP Pro 64bit which should be out in the specified time frame. Subject to change without notice \:\)

At that time, I'll select a graphics card (by then the next full generation of graphics should be available to compare).

In June, I'll be interested in test reports that consider performance with 64bit OS and 64bit drivers.


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#105277 - 02/22/05 03:41 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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Athlon 64 3700+(?) Stepping E (? the stepping with SSE3 instructions)
Yes, that is E stepping.

#105278 - 02/22/05 04:45 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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Dual core is going to be a more important feature, for me at least. The multitasking advantages outweigh the few to 20 fps greater performance offered by AMD chips. And I don't want to wait around for AMD to bring about their dual core solution (not when dual core + SMT will be available).

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If you read this though they doubt that SSE3 will do much on AMD64 for the desktop.


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#105280 - 02/22/05 06:16 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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If you read this though they doubt that SSE3 will do much on AMD64 for the desktop.
Yes, I did \:\)

As they point out, if the software uses SSE3, then it can make a big difference in that part of the code. I do not imagine it will mean a lot more FPS unless newer game engines make use of it. Even then, I would only expect a few percent FPS improvement.

Probably a bigger improvement will come from 64bit games and drivers -- maybe 10 percent or a bit more?

Same with dual-core, I imagine. That is -- game engines will have to be developed to take advantage of it.

But, I think its a SURE THING. Why? Because SONY and Microsoft are going multi-core with both the next Playstation and X-Box 2. So, multi-core game engines will become commonplace starting next year.


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#105281 - 02/22/05 08:07 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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Quote:
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Dual core is going to be a more important feature, for me at least. The multitasking advantages outweigh the few to 20 fps greater performance offered by AMD chips. And I don't want to wait around for AMD to bring about their dual core solution (not when dual core + SMT will be available).
That's if you use your PC for something other than games. Benchmarks with dual processor machines has shown that games get little if any benefit from it (10% or so), so it's a far better value to get the fastest SINGLE chip you can for gaming than to go dual--whether on the same chip or not.


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#105282 - 02/23/05 02:49 AM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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That's if you use your PC for something other than games.
Like the majority of the population does.

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Benchmarks with dual processor machines has shown that games get little if any benefit from it (10% or so), so it's a far better value to get the fastest SINGLE chip you can for gaming than to go dual--whether on the same chip or not.
Except when you can have both, why not go for it? I'll take increased responsiviness across the board over a few FPS.

Dual core should be faster than traditional SMP given the wider path between each chip.

#105283 - 02/23/05 11:40 AM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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FWIW, since we've brought up dual-core.

AMD is showing their dual-core Athlon 64 now -- they've been showing the dual-core Opteron for a while now.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21387

As, many may know, the Opteron/Athlon 64 were originally designed from the blank-paper up for 64bit dual-core operation.

For Intel, the initial dual-core and 64bit are "me-too" catch-up designs. They had thought they would NOT need those technologies because the Pentium 4 was supposed to eventually hit 10GHz and "blow away" the slower clocked Opteron/Athlon 64. Of course, that did not work -- as John Reynolds' article illustrates.

Hence, it is expected that the AMD dual-core will show significant performance advantages over the initial Intel dual-core. But, that remains to be seen \:\)


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#105284 - 03/11/05 07:37 PM Re: Review: Intel P4P 660 and 3.73 Extreme Edition processors  
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That is interesting stuff... all this dual core talk. \:\)

I'm wondering... can someone list all the games that have SMP support? How many are out there?

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I'm guessing zero Bubba. ;\)

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That is interesting stuff... all this dual core talk. \:\)

I'm wondering... can someone list all the games that have SMP support? How many are out there?

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